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Maximum Carnage Week Game Thread

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  • UW_Doog_BotUW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,828 Swaye's Wigwam
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 21,900 Swaye's Wigwam

    Of course Mello down votes but there won't be an explanation on what they got "right" in all of this.

  • EverettChrisEverettChris Member Posts: 4,217
    edited March 10

    Too much in taxes would be lost on liquor sales although some severe alcoholics likely would have died from withdrawals quitting cold turkey. I guess the tax revenue was more important than eliminating drains on the medical system in this instance.

  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,710 Swaye's Wigwam

    If you could link where I made claims, it’d be great. Thanks!

  • huskyhooliganhuskyhooligan Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 5,442 Swaye's Wigwam

    Authoritarian Australian Queensland Health Agency dropping some hammers. I know of a BLM activist who has been on disability due to long covid.

  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,957
    edited March 15

    eh I imagine there are some cases where it triggers some difficult to identify condition. But to pretend it’s anything but a super rare exception is bullshit

  • WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 15,359 Standard Supporter

    Biggest fail of the world's and in particular the US medical bureaucracy. Official response was masking and physical distance (unless rioting) and if infected take Tylenol until you were put on a ventilator and then you die. In the spring of 2020 it was evident where the risks were and that Vitamin D deficiency was prevalent in covid victims and that there was strong anecdotal evidence that Ivermectin worked as a preventive/early treatment especially when combined with zinc, antibiotics and a steroid. But any actual officially recognized trials/studies were rigged going in to fail and positive studies were not just ignored but were aggressively suppressed. The fear factor promoting you get the chicom crud you die but don't you dare take some Vitamin D, zinc, Quercetin and that deadly horse paste because they are going to cause you great harm. Then the ungodly promotion of untested mRNA "vaccines" which immediately set the CDC VAERS data base on fire with thousands and thousands of adverse event reports. Any other vaxxes would have immediately been pulled. They pulled the 1976 swine flu vaccine after a fraction of adverse event reports.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/excess-mortality-skyrocketed-tucker-carlson-and-dr-pierre-kory-unpack-criminal-covid

    …"Do we have any real sense of what the cost, the physical cost to the country and world has been of those vaccines?" Carlson asked, kicking off the interview.

    "I do think we have some understanding of the cost. I mean, I think, you know, you're aware of the work of of Ed Dowd, who's put together a team and looked, analytically at a lot of the epidemiologic data," Kory replied. "I mean, time with that vaccination rollout is when all of the numbers started going sideways, the excess mortality started to skyrocket."

    When asked "what kind of death toll are we looking at?", Kory responded "...in 2023 alone, in the first nine months, we had what's called an excess mortality of 158,000 Americans," adding "But this is in 2023. I mean, we've  had Omicron now for two years, which is a mild variant. Not that many go to the hospital."

    'Safe and Effective'

    Tucker also asked Kory why the people who claimed the vaccine were "safe and effective" aren't being held criminally liable for abetting the "killing of all these Americans," to which Kory replied: "It’s my kind of belief, looking back, that [safe and effective] was a predetermined conclusion. There was no data to support that, but it was agreed upon that it would be presented as safe and effective."

    Carlson and Kory then discussed the different segments of the population that experienced vaccine side effects, with Kory noting an "explosion in dying in the youngest and healthiest sectors of society," adding "And why did the employed fare far worse than those that weren't? And this particularly white collar, white collar, more than gray collar, more than blue collar."

    Kory also said that Big Pharma is 'terrified' of Vitamin D because it "threatens the disease model." As journalist The Vigilant Fox notes on X, "Vitamin D showed about a 60% effectiveness against the incidence of COVID-19 in randomized control trials," and "showed about 40-50% effectiveness in reducing the incidence of COVID-19 in observational studies."

    Professional costs

    Kory - while risking professional suicide by speaking out, has undoubtedly helped save countless lives by advocating for alternate treatments such as Ivermectin.

    Kory shared his own experiences of job loss and censorship, highlighting the challenges of advocating for a more nuanced understanding of vaccine safety in an environment often resistant to dissenting voices.

    "I wrote a book called The War on Ivermectin and the the genesis of that book," he said, adding "Not only is my expertise on Ivermectin and my vast clinical experience, but and I tell the story before, but I got an email, during this journey from a guy named William B Grant, who's a professor out in California, and he wrote to me this email just one day, my life was going totally sideways because our protocols focused on Ivermectin. I was using a lot in my practice, as were tens of thousands of doctors around the world, to really good benefits. And I was getting attacked, hit jobs in the media, and he wrote me this email on and he said, Dear Dr. Kory, what they're doing to Ivermectin, they've been doing to vitamin D for decades..."

    "And it's got five tactics. And these are the five tactics that all industries employ when science emerges, that's inconvenient to their interests. And so I'm just going to give you an example. Ivermectin science was extremely inconvenient to the interests of the pharmaceutical industrial complex. I mean, it threatened the vaccine campaign. It threatened vaccine hesitancy, which was public enemy number one. We know that, that everything, all the propaganda censorship was literally going after something called vaccine hesitancy."

    Money makes the world go 'round

    Carlson then hit on perhaps the most devious aspect of the relationship between drug companies and the medical establishment, and how special interests completely taint science to the point where public distrust of institutions has spiked in recent years.

    "I think all of it starts at the level the medical journals," said Kory. "Because once you have something established in the medical journals as a, let's say, a proven fact or a generally accepted consensus, consensus comes out of the journals."

    "I have dozens of rejection letters from investigators around the world who did good trials on ivermectin, tried to publish it. No thank you, no thank you, no thank you. And then the ones that do get in all purportedly prove that ivermectin didn't work," Kory continued.

    "So and then when you look at the ones that actually got in and this is where like probably my biggest estrangement and why I don't recognize science and don't trust it anymore, is the trials that flew to publication in the top journals in the world were so brazenly manipulated and corrupted in the design and conduct in, many of us wrote about it. But they flew to publication, and then every time they were published, you saw these huge PR campaigns in the media. New York Times, Boston Globe, L.A. times, ivermectin doesn't work. Latest high quality, rigorous study says. I'm sitting here in my office watching these lies just ripple throughout the media sphere based on fraudulent studies published in the top journals. And that's that's that has changed. Now that's why I say I'm estranged and I don't know what to trust anymore."
    Vaccine Injuries

    Carlson asked Kory about his clinical experience with vaccine injuries.

    "So how this is how I divide, this is just kind of my perception of vaccine injury is that when I use the term vaccine injury, I'm usually referring to what I call a single organ problem, like pericarditis, myocarditis, stroke, something like that. An autoimmune disease," he replied.

    "What I specialize in my practice, is I treat patients with what we call a long Covid long vaxx. It's the same disease, just different triggers, right? One is triggered by Covid, the other one is triggered by the spike protein from the vaccine. Much more common is long vax. The only real differences between the two conditions is that the vaccinated are, on average, sicker and more disabled than the long Covids, with some pretty prominent exceptions to that."

  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,710 Swaye's Wigwam
  • MelloDawgMelloDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,710 Swaye's Wigwam

    Oh, I thought you were talking about something else for which you could make the same argument using the exact same words.

  • SwayeSwaye Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 41,494 Founders Club
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