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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,841 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited December 2023
    HFNY said:

    I'd do that but ownership like France because he's cheap. How much more do they have to spend? Kepler is due $10 million and a pillow contract for Hoskins would likely run another $10 million.

    I actually think they're willing to spend that much. Kepler is a net increase of about $4 over France. They spent $12 on Garver, add $4 for Kepler, and say $15 for one of those other guys. That's $31. I've heard they were willing to add $35 after the salary dump. That leaves a little bit for pitching or whatever.

    I'd be pretty damn happy with that offseason really, which is why it won't happen.

    I think this is really possible. France doesn't really fit with Garver and one of Hoskins/Soler. If they aren't willing to trade him they'd have to give up pitching to get an outfielder and a second upgrade bat. Why trade pitching if you don't have to?
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,587
    chuck said:

    HFNY said:

    I'd do that but ownership like France because he's cheap. How much more do they have to spend? Kepler is due $10 million and a pillow contract for Hoskins would likely run another $10 million.

    I actually think they're willing to spend that much. Kepler is a net increase of about $4 over France. They spent $12 on Garver, add $4 for Kepler, and say $15 for one of those other guys. That's $31. I've heard they were willing to add $35 after the salary dump. That leaves a little bit for pitching or whatever.

    I'd be pretty damn happy with that offseason really, which is why it won't happen.
    Thanks, I didn't know that France was making $6 million in 2024.

    I chuckled at your last sentence.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,841 Swaye's Wigwam
    HFNY said:

    chuck said:

    HFNY said:

    I'd do that but ownership like France because he's cheap. How much more do they have to spend? Kepler is due $10 million and a pillow contract for Hoskins would likely run another $10 million.

    I actually think they're willing to spend that much. Kepler is a net increase of about $4 over France. They spent $12 on Garver, add $4 for Kepler, and say $15 for one of those other guys. That's $31. I've heard they were willing to add $35 after the salary dump. That leaves a little bit for pitching or whatever.

    I'd be pretty damn happy with that offseason really, which is why it won't happen.
    Thanks, I didn't know that France was making $6 million in 2024.

    I chuckled at your last sentence.
    That's a guess on France's arbitration salary. Might be $7mil.
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  • HFNY
    HFNY Member Posts: 5,587
    Does baseball need a hard cap as well as a spending floor?
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    HFNY said:

    Does baseball need a hard cap as well as a spending floor?

    The bare- minimum for 2024 is $19.24M…the A’s were a tick over double that last year.

    I think that you’re gonna see a cap, sooner than later. The proliferation of “fuck you” money is flexing right now, and guysm want to win…
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,880 Standard Supporter
    Fishpo31 said:

    HFNY said:

    Does baseball need a hard cap as well as a spending floor?

    The bare- minimum for 2024 is $19.24M…the A’s were a tick over double that last year.

    I think that you’re gonna see a cap, sooner than later. The proliferation of “fuck you” money is flexing right now, and guysm want to win…
    You think the players will agree to a cap?
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    Fishpo31 said:

    HFNY said:

    Does baseball need a hard cap as well as a spending floor?

    The bare- minimum for 2024 is $19.24M…the A’s were a tick over double that last year.

    I think that you’re gonna see a cap, sooner than later. The proliferation of “fuck you” money is flexing right now, and guysm want to win…
    You think the players will agree to a cap?
    I just responded to the question of hard cap/floor…I’ve been anticipating this for a while now. The “haves” have pushed it to the limit…as for the players, I would imagine that an “adapt or die” convo is going to be had soon, if it hasn’t already. Lots of potential Oakland situations…not whether owners can afford to be competitive, but do they want to spend to be competitive?
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    Well, did NOT see this coming…Robbie Ray to the Giants for Haniger and Anthony Descalfini. Wonder if they go after Snell now…
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,841 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited January 2024
    Fishpo31 said:

    Well, did NOT see this coming…Robbie Ray to the Giants for Haniger and Anthony Descalfini. Wonder if they go after Snell now…

    Holy shit. I need to read up on the details and I know fuck all about that pitcher. My first reaction is that I'm happy with it though. Ray was not helping Seattle this year, in fact all he was doing was sucking up $25mil with no guarantee he'll ever regain mid/top of rotation form.

    Haniger is a good bat IF healthy and I think there's a net $$ gain for the Ms.

    And Luke Raley for Caballero if the buzz is true. I'm loving this one.

    Maybe I'm just starved for some Ms news.

    Yes I know UW is playing for the natty and I should be dooging not mooging. I can do two things though.
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  • Fishpo31
    Fishpo31 Member Posts: 2,682
    edited January 2024
    I’ve heard them sniffing around Santana…IF they get him or a comp it gets a LH bat in the mix with the France / Garver / Haniger /Canzone platoon/ DH-a-palooza…

    Add to the mix…
    Sustainable
    Control
    Club friendly
    Flexibility …
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