Mariners offseason prediction is in.
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Billy Beane showed that you can compete with spare parts, but if you don't win the last game, does it really matter? He had Zito, Hudson and Mulder (all three in the draft), and without them they lose 100 with that lineup. They didn't talk about that in the movie. Oakland is (was) a graveyard for hitters, if they even had enough money to try to sign guys.
Billy became a legend, because he could field a winning club with a tiny payroll. It seems as if Stanton wants to do the same, with the same results...nonatty gif. It's like going to the casino...there is a chance to win big, you hope to at least break even, but the reality is that you won't.
This is (was) the year for the M's...they scraped and saved, pinched pennies for years, "club-friendly contracts" (throw that in with "controllable", "sustainable", and "54%"), the door is open, and they walked away and took a dump...
I'm as down on the M's as I've ever been right now...They have done everything to position themselves for this, painstakingly, over years/decades. the bride is in the honeymoon suite and ready to go, and they can't get it up and finish the job...fuck 'em... -
How much salary did the M's dump? Was Gonzales $12.5 million, Geno $11 million, and Evan White $7 million? Let's say I'm off and it was only $28 million.
The M's could plug at least one hole by trading for Max Kepler (due $10 mil in 2024 for age 31 season) and maybe even Jorge Polanco (due $10.5 million in 2024 for his age 30 season and $12 million team option for 2025).
$20.5 million could get 120-130 games from Kepler as a mildly plus fielder in RF and Polanco as a plus defender at 2B (can spell Crawford at SS too). Rojas and Urias could platoon at 3B while Ryan Bliss develops at 2B in AAA in case Polanco gets hurt.
M's wouldn't have to give up a top pitching prospect or top position prospect since it is a salary dump for the Twins. They might have to give a better position prospect if they want Minnesota to send along $3 to $5 million.
The M's could then spend the remaining $9.5 million of the freed-up $28 million by trading for Eloy Jimenez to be a thumper at DH. He's due $13.88 million in 2024 for his age 27 season and has a $3 million buyout for 2025 (or $16.5 million team option). Sox could send along $3 million and Jimenez for a pretty good M's prospect. Someone like OF Aidan Smith should get it done.
Otherwise, they can try to sign Jorge Soler to a 3 year, $45 million deal and try to back-load it so that they only pay him $11 or $12 million in 2024.
Short term contracts left on Kepler, Polanco, and Jimenez should appeal to ownership to plug some holes while allowing for more seasoning time to prospects (OF Clase, 3B/1B Locklear, SS/2B Bliss) and holding onto the pitching. Dylan Moore could then spell Kepler against LHP in RF and same for Canzano in RF while the other OF could be Marlowe or Trammell (still have hope for him). -
I like this plan. It's not enough, but it's a better effort than I expect out of them.HFNY said:How much salary did the M's dump? Was Gonzales $12.5 million, Geno $11 million, and Evan White $7 million? Let's say I'm off and it was only $28 million.
The M's could plug at least one hole by trading for Max Kepler (due $10 mil in 2024 for age 31 season) and maybe even Jorge Polanco (due $10.5 million in 2024 for his age 30 season and $12 million team option for 2025).
$20.5 million could get 120-130 games from Kepler as a mildly plus fielder in RF and Polanco as a plus defender at 2B (can spell Crawford at SS too). Rojas and Urias could platoon at 3B while Ryan Bliss develops at 2B in AAA in case Polanco gets hurt.
M's wouldn't have to give up a top pitching prospect or top position prospect since it is a salary dump for the Twins. They might have to give a better position prospect if they want Minnesota to send along $3 to $5 million.
The M's could then spend the remaining $9.5 million of the freed-up $28 million by trading for Eloy Jimenez to be a thumper at DH. He's due $13.88 million in 2024 for his age 27 season and has a $3 million buyout for 2025 (or $16.5 million team option). Sox could send along $3 million and Jimenez for a pretty good M's prospect. Someone like OF Aidan Smith should get it done.
Otherwise, they can try to sign Jorge Soler to a 3 year, $45 million deal and try to back-load it so that they only pay him $11 or $12 million in 2024.
Short term contracts left on Kepler, Polanco, and Jimenez should appeal to ownership to plug some holes while allowing for more seasoning time to prospects (OF Clase, 3B/1B Locklear, SS/2B Bliss) and holding onto the pitching. Dylan Moore could then spell Kepler against LHP in RF and same for Canzano in RF while the other OF could be Marlowe or Trammell (still have hope for him). -
Thanks, they could always add a bat before the deadline if the pitching carries them and the hitting does well enough at the right times.chuck said:
I like this plan. It's not enough, but it's a better effort than I expect out of them.HFNY said:How much salary did the M's dump? Was Gonzales $12.5 million, Geno $11 million, and Evan White $7 million? Let's say I'm off and it was only $28 million.
The M's could plug at least one hole by trading for Max Kepler (due $10 mil in 2024 for age 31 season) and maybe even Jorge Polanco (due $10.5 million in 2024 for his age 30 season and $12 million team option for 2025).
$20.5 million could get 120-130 games from Kepler as a mildly plus fielder in RF and Polanco as a plus defender at 2B (can spell Crawford at SS too). Rojas and Urias could platoon at 3B while Ryan Bliss develops at 2B in AAA in case Polanco gets hurt.
M's wouldn't have to give up a top pitching prospect or top position prospect since it is a salary dump for the Twins. They might have to give a better position prospect if they want Minnesota to send along $3 to $5 million.
The M's could then spend the remaining $9.5 million of the freed-up $28 million by trading for Eloy Jimenez to be a thumper at DH. He's due $13.88 million in 2024 for his age 27 season and has a $3 million buyout for 2025 (or $16.5 million team option). Sox could send along $3 million and Jimenez for a pretty good M's prospect. Someone like OF Aidan Smith should get it done.
Otherwise, they can try to sign Jorge Soler to a 3 year, $45 million deal and try to back-load it so that they only pay him $11 or $12 million in 2024.
Short term contracts left on Kepler, Polanco, and Jimenez should appeal to ownership to plug some holes while allowing for more seasoning time to prospects (OF Clase, 3B/1B Locklear, SS/2B Bliss) and holding onto the pitching. Dylan Moore could then spell Kepler against LHP in RF and same for Canzano in RF while the other OF could be Marlowe or Trammell (still have hope for him).
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Oh man I just noted that I missed the mention of Marlowe and Trammell. I might have taken a half or even full star from my rating had I seen that the first time. Abandon your hope for Trammell and instead hope that they aren't lame enough to keep teitting him out there and pretending he's still a prospect. Yikes man. Know when to give up.HFNY said:
Thanks, they could always add a bat before the deadline if the pitching carries them and the hitting does well enough at the right times.chuck said:
I like this plan. It's not enough, but it's a better effort than I expect out of them.HFNY said:How much salary did the M's dump? Was Gonzales $12.5 million, Geno $11 million, and Evan White $7 million? Let's say I'm off and it was only $28 million.
The M's could plug at least one hole by trading for Max Kepler (due $10 mil in 2024 for age 31 season) and maybe even Jorge Polanco (due $10.5 million in 2024 for his age 30 season and $12 million team option for 2025).
$20.5 million could get 120-130 games from Kepler as a mildly plus fielder in RF and Polanco as a plus defender at 2B (can spell Crawford at SS too). Rojas and Urias could platoon at 3B while Ryan Bliss develops at 2B in AAA in case Polanco gets hurt.
M's wouldn't have to give up a top pitching prospect or top position prospect since it is a salary dump for the Twins. They might have to give a better position prospect if they want Minnesota to send along $3 to $5 million.
The M's could then spend the remaining $9.5 million of the freed-up $28 million by trading for Eloy Jimenez to be a thumper at DH. He's due $13.88 million in 2024 for his age 27 season and has a $3 million buyout for 2025 (or $16.5 million team option). Sox could send along $3 million and Jimenez for a pretty good M's prospect. Someone like OF Aidan Smith should get it done.
Otherwise, they can try to sign Jorge Soler to a 3 year, $45 million deal and try to back-load it so that they only pay him $11 or $12 million in 2024.
Short term contracts left on Kepler, Polanco, and Jimenez should appeal to ownership to plug some holes while allowing for more seasoning time to prospects (OF Clase, 3B/1B Locklear, SS/2B Bliss) and holding onto the pitching. Dylan Moore could then spell Kepler against LHP in RF and same for Canzano in RF while the other OF could be Marlowe or Trammell (still have hope for him).
Marlowe I actually liked but he was regressing with lightening speed when they sent him back down. I don't think he's an answer to anything either except in desperate times.
If they had a reasonable bench they would've made the playoffs. Trade middling prospects for a couple of solid bench guys and never suit up Trammell or Haggerty again! -
I'm not sure I understand the Mitch Garver signing. Would he play just 10-20 games behind the plate and cost $12 million per year? Might as well spend a little more and get Jorge Soler at DH, no?
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He's a good DH too, but I'm not sure how he is that much better, 8 million better, than Tom Murphy. I guess the difference may be that they think Murphy is fubar health-wise.HFNY said:I'm not sure I understand the Mitch Garver signing. Would he play just 10-20 games behind the plate and cost $12 million per year? Might as well spend a little more and get Jorge Soler at DH, no?
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Not that Garver is the epitome of durability though.
I'm still not sure who they get for 1 1/2 outfielders though. Joc Pederson on a 2 year deal or Pham on a 1-year deal could work. -
I like France to Minn for Kepler and sign Hoskins or maybe Soler.HFNY said:Not that Garver is the epitome of durability though.
I'm still not sure who they get for 1 1/2 outfielders though. Joc Pederson on a 2 year deal or Pham on a 1-year deal could work. -
I'd do that but ownership like France because he's cheap. How much more do they have to spend? Kepler is due $10 million and a pillow contract for Hoskins would likely run another $10 million.
