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Mariners offseason prediction is in.
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Even if the M's had the money, I don't know if an 8 year, $200 million plus deal would be worth it:
https://mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/cody-bellinger-reportedly-seeking-200mm-or-more-in-free-agency.html -
When you are dealing from such a profoundly weak position, you gotta overpay…when the priorities appear to be “controllable years” and “sustainable”…they are fucked, and I’m here for it. Over-under for a Julio opt-out is…5HFNY said:Even if the M's had the money, I don't know if an 8 year, $200 million plus deal would be worth it:
https://mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/cody-bellinger-reportedly-seeking-200mm-or-more-in-free-agency.html -
The only way this works out is if Dipoto can work some magic and make a couple of great adds on the cheap. I don't know who those guys are. Bellinger definitely isn't in the picture. They need some AJ Pollack/Colten Wong type guys to come through with huge seasons. Otherwise this whole thing dies with a whimper.Fishpo31 said:
When you are dealing from such a profoundly weak position, you gotta overpay…when the priorities appear to be “controllable years” and “sustainable”…they are fucked, and I’m here for it. Over-under for a Julio opt-out is…5HFNY said:Even if the M's had the money, I don't know if an 8 year, $200 million plus deal would be worth it:
https://mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/cody-bellinger-reportedly-seeking-200mm-or-more-in-free-agency.html -
What if the M's traded Castillo? They could get a very good controllable bat (OF or 3B) and a #4 starter in return, maybe a pretty good AA pitching prospect.
That would then free up around $10 million (assuming the bat and starter cost about $14 million), which they could then spend on a DH. -
Yeah I considered that kind of move too. Would suck to have to do that but better than doing nothing.HFNY said:What if the M's traded Castillo? They could get a very good controllable bat (OF or 3B) and a #4 starter in return, maybe a pretty good AA pitching prospect.
That would then free up around $10 million (assuming the bat and starter cost about $14 million), which they could then spend on a DH. -
For me, if that is the move, they might as well do nothing. WS teams don't trade an ace for "depth", they trade them for a perennial All Star bat, and a top-of-the-line prospect(s)...chuck said:
Yeah I considered that kind of move too. Would suck to have to do that but better than doing nothing.HFNY said:What if the M's traded Castillo? They could get a very good controllable bat (OF or 3B) and a #4 starter in return, maybe a pretty good AA pitching prospect.
That would then free up around $10 million (assuming the bat and starter cost about $14 million), which they could then spend on a DH.
Unfortunately, perennial All Star bats are often on their 2nd contract, and usually have no-trade clauses, and as has been well-documented, hitters don't want to play in Seattle. It reminds me of when they traded Randy Johnson...they got 3 very serviceable big leaguers who had solid careers, and RJ won a WS, several Cy's...the M's didn't want to pay a shitload of $$$ for a guy with a questionable back, and Randy wanted out. They got a "good" haul for him, but all anyone talks about is how Woodward got fleeced. His hand was forced.
They will never get close to equal value for Castillo, so I imagine it will happen soon..."Controllable"...They had three of the best hitters in the game in the 90's, and were short on pitching. Now they have the pitching but need bats, and no one wants to come here..."Sustainable, controllable" = mediocre...same as it ever was...
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Yeah, they are probably waiting for other chips to fall so that other teams use up more of their budget (Bellinger, Chapman, and Snell for instance) so that they can drive a harder bargain (Soler, Pham, Joc Pederson, etc etc) for those who remain.
I still think they should deal one of the young arms for a controllable bat since they have a need for at least 2 bats (at a corner OF spot and DH....if Urias sticks at 3B for a year). Robbie Ray will come back in July or August and they could plug a spot with James Paxton, Alex Wood, or Clevinger on a 1 year deal with a club option for a 2nd year. -
I think my strategy now is to not trade any pitching. If you trade one you have to go get one. The only one they can trade that would make any kind of fiscal sense would be Castillo since that possibly frees up enough money to get another pitcher or two in addition to whatever salaries came back as part of the trade.
I don't fucking know. I'm pretty much in burn it down mode at this point. There's a way to put a contender on the field for peanuts the way the seem to want to, but it can't be done with half measures. If they want to go young and controllable and sustainable they might as well commit to it and that means dealing big contracts in exchange for those controllable players. Castillo is the biggest contract they have left that is moveable. -
Should have never torn down the Kingdome. The owners suck, but Safeco (or whatever it's called now) really screwed up the ability to recruit/keep bats here.
