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Sugar Bowl Analysis and Predictions

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  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,978 Swaye's Wigwam
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    Great post. A lot to digest, but a few counterpoints:

    1. I don't necessarily agree that the Texas "corners and secondary are really bad." The corners are fine, actually pretty good. Barron the nickel is a very good player / difference maker. He should have been all conference. The best cover corner is Ryan Watts -- Texas kid who transferred back home from Ohio State -- who got hurt before the OU game. He's been in and (mostly) out of the lineup all season, and finally appeared to get healthy. Then he hurt his back on the very first play against Texas Tech and missed the rest of that one plus the OSU game. He should be healthy by New Years and they definitely need him. The other corner Brooks is pretty good. He should have had a pick six in the Alamobowl last year. Malik Muhammed is a true freshman who has come on the last half of the season. He's going to be a really good one. When PK has let the corners press, they've been very good. They are physical and athletic. They will get burned deep from time to time like all corners, but the underneath stuff in zone is where they've gotten hurt. To me, this is one of the keys to the game. Will Texas press and will Penix and Odunze set them on fire?

    2. The safeties OTOH can definitely be exploited. Williams, who is suspended for the first half (the targeting rule is a joke - but that's another topic) is another true freshman (5 star bought recruited out of Louisiana) who has also really come on the last half of the season. He's going to be a really good one and will be missed the first half of the game. There are three other safeties back there who have been burned at different points of the season. Kitan Crawford is a plus athlete who is very mistake prone. Difference maker on special teams though. Jerrin Thompson is experienced but slow. Michael Taffe is a former walk on, coach on the field lunch pail type who has a nose for the ball white. Jalen Catalon is the guy who entered the portal. He was a freshman AA at Arkansas who portaled in, but he can't stay healthy either here or when he was at Arkansas. More run stopper than coverage guy. He hasn't played meaningful snaps in weeks. His loss isn't that much of an actual loss.

    3. I don't want to get into schedule pissing matches because it's stupid and the Pac got a lot of mileage out of some OOC games that in hindsight, don't look that impressive. And I'm sure as shit not going to defend the Big 12. But you can't underestimate how badly every team in the Big 12 usually wants to beat Texas, and then multiply that by 10 since its the last season in the conference. Texas was a jihad game for every team on the schedule. They threw schemes at Texas that they had never showed on tape. They tried every trick play imaginable. Injured players miraculously got healthy. Texas got everybody's best shot. And they still made it through unscathed (sans OU) for whatever that is worth.

    4. Texas can win in different ways. They don't have to throw to beat you, but they can. They don't have to run to beat you, but they can. They can win on special teams. They can win on defense. Like Washington, they found ways to win even when playing poorly, which says a lot about both teams. Texas is a better team than you saw in San Antonio last year. I don't know if they are good enough to beat Washington. I do like that they played last year and lost, so Texas will have a very healthy respect in their preparation. Should be a great game.

    Your third point is actually then same situation we were in. Especially since we? are both leaving our? respective conferences.

    We also got the added benefit of playing USC and Oregon State teams that were still fighting for their lives to win the conference. Oregon got them the week after when USC was toast, and Oregon State didn't have a coach.

    You will have talent on offense that only Oregon and USC has in the Pac 12. That can cause UW some problems.

    On defense, youre like a more athletic Utah or Oregon State. Due to the secondary concerns, more like Oregon State. We had the good fortune of playing that team in a monsoon in Corvallis, so neither team could do much through the air.

    I think for Texas to win, you will have to start fast. Very few teams have done that to UW this year, probably only @ USC was the only game. And we can clown on them all we want now, but Williams is a Heisman winner and when he is trying cant be stopped.

    Every other game UW scores first and controls the pace of the game. If Texas gets a lead while running the ball we? are in trouble.
  • 79smoothdawg79smoothdawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 721 Swaye's Wigwam
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    It will happen. The script has changed
  • Mitch_CumsteenMitch_Cumsteen Member Posts: 79


    Your third point is actually then same situation we were in. Especially since we? are both leaving our? respective conferences.

    We also got the added benefit of playing USC and Oregon State teams that were still fighting for their lives to win the conference. Oregon got them the week after when USC was toast, and Oregon State didn't have a coach.

    You will have talent on offense that only Oregon and USC has in the Pac 12. That can cause UW some problems.

    On defense, youre like a more athletic Utah or Oregon State. Due to the secondary concerns, more like Oregon State. We had the good fortune of playing that team in a monsoon in Corvallis, so neither team could do much through the air.

    I think for Texas to win, you will have to start fast. Very few teams have done that to UW this year, probably only @ USC was the only game. And we can clown on them all we want now, but Williams is a Heisman winner and when he is trying cant be stopped.

    Every other game UW scores first and controls the pace of the game. If Texas gets a lead while running the ball we? are in trouble.
    No disrespect, but UW leaving the Pac isn't exactly the same as Texas leaving the Big 12. You can't begin to understand the hatred and jealousy. And UW didn't announce they were going Big 10 until August. The Big 12 left behinds had two years advance notice that it would be the last time ever playing UT. They had been prepping for jihad for 9 months. Even the conference commissioner (and his idiot second in command) came out talking shit about beating Texas.
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,978 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited December 2023
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    No disrespect, but UW leaving the Pac isn't exactly the same as Texas leaving the Big 12. You can't begin to understand the hatred and jealousy. And UW didn't announce they were going Big 10 until August. The Big 12 left behinds had two years advance notice that it would be the last time ever playing UT. They had been prepping for jihad for 9 months. Even the conference commissioner (and his idiot second in command) came out talking shit about beating Texas.

    Maybe, maybe not. You dont think Oregon State and Wazzu were playing their super bowls against us?

    Those teams are literally getting relegated to the G5.

    We were the highest ranked team all year long after going 11-2 last year. Teams were gunning for us.

    And again, you cant explain stuff like the Oklahoma State OOC record. It is trash.

    I truly think the Pac 12 is better and so does nearly everyone.
  • FireCohenFireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
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    Btw @PostGameOrangeSlices fucking crushing it in this thread. He is usually the one getting crushed
  • Postal91Postal91 Member Posts: 1,890
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    ntxduck said:

    Replay of the alamo bowl. UW gets up early, rides DJ in the 2h and Texas D can’t get off the field as UW runs the clock down

    Went and watched the highlights again. Whew, we should have been up waaay more. Rome dropping the TD to end the half dropped us by 4 points. They don’t have Brooks this year, either. Sheesh.
  • Mitch_CumsteenMitch_Cumsteen Member Posts: 79


    Maybe, maybe not. You dont think Oregon State and Wazzu were playing their super bowls against us?

    Those teams are literally getting relegated to the G5.

    We were the highest ranked team all year long after going 11-2 last year. Teams were gunning for us.

    And again, you cant explain stuff like the Oklahoma State OOC record. It is trash.

    I truly think the Pac 12 is better and so does nearly everyone.
    Okay, sure, you had 2 teams playing their super bowl against you. We probably had 8. Those fucks from Texas Tech were whining to the state legislature about how Texas not playing there every other year was going to destroy the Lubbock economy. We had Baylor's coach come out and admit that in the offseason people would tell him it would be okay if they went 1-11 as long as the one win was against Texas. You can think I'm delusional or arrogant, but you don't understand the dynamic of football in the state of Texas and around the Big 12. Even though we've sucked shit through a straw the last decade-ish, we are still the 800 pound gorilla for better or for worse.

    Also, I can totally explain Oklahoma State's record. Their naive OAN-watching mulleted coach got his pants pulled down in the portal and couldn't figure out his roster or what type of team he had. They beat ASU in Tempe (in much more convincing fashion than UW did, btw), then celebrated all week and looked ahead to Iowa State. It was a sandwich game and they completely overlooked a middling sunbelt team and got it handed to them. Then, they put all their chips into beating Oklahoma, which given the circumstances is probably the biggest win in the history of their program. They didn't stop celebrating until they woke up Saturday morning facing Gus Malzahn, and again got their heads kicked in.

    That's college football. And that's why comparing schedules is stupid. I saw Oregon need a two point stop in the final minute to beat a Tech team that Texas annihilated by 50. Utah needed two TDs in the final minute to beat a terrible Baylor team that again Texas crushed. You guys barely scraped by against a bad ASU team that Okie Lite beat handily. We? shit down our leg and almost blew huge leads against Houston, TCU and KSU. Weird shit happens in college football.
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,842 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited December 2023
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    No disrespect, but UW leaving the Pac isn't exactly the same as Texas leaving the Big 12. You can't begin to understand the hatred and jealousy. And UW didn't announce they were going Big 10 until August. The Big 12 left behinds had two years advance notice that it would be the last time ever playing UT. They had been prepping for jihad for 9 months. Even the conference commissioner (and his idiot second in command) came out talking shit about beating Texas.
    Our 2 hardest games (Besides Oregon and maybe USC) were teams whose programs we are literally relegating to the Mountain West. They are currently losing their best players and beavers' coach quit on them before their rivalry game to get out of the situation. And was #11 on the road.

    Hatred doesn't even begin to describe Washington State and Oregon State's mentality toward UW. Both absolute bloodbath games.
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,842 Swaye's Wigwam
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    Yeah but it's Texas so things are bigger in their state dude. Ever think of that?
    They don't get that their conference was shit this year. Otherwise Sark drops another game or more. Texas got in over FSU because it's Texas, but both of those conferences were complete asshole.

    But but but the ASU game where we had 4+ turnovers in the rain and still won.
  • Mitch_CumsteenMitch_Cumsteen Member Posts: 79
    haie said:

    They don't get that their conference was shit this year. Otherwise Sark drops another game or more. Texas got in over FSU because it's Texas, but both of those conferences were complete asshole.

    But but but the ASU game where we had 4+ turnovers in the rain and still won.
    Oh I get that the Big 12 was shit, but please enlighten me on the Pac's biggest OOC wins? Oregon State beating a meh Wisconsin team with a new coach? Michigan State? Oregon v. Texas Tech? Utah v. Baylor? The Pac certainly got a lot of mileage out of Colorado beating shitty TCU. What else was there? Am I missing something? Texas at least went into Alabama and beat them by double digits. And trust me, nobody has gotten more mileage out of that than Texas has.
  • Kingdome_UrinalsKingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,770
    edited December 2023
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    No disrespect, but UW leaving the Pac isn't exactly the same as Texas leaving the Big 12. You can't begin to understand the hatred and jealousy. And UW didn't announce they were going Big 10 until August. The Big 12 left behinds had two years advance notice that it would be the last time ever playing UT. They had been prepping for jihad for 9 months. Even the conference commissioner (and his idiot second in command) came out talking shit about beating Texas.
    Outside of Oklahoma those Big 12 offenses are pretty bad. The majority would be lower third PAC quality. Distinct lack of talent across the board.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,763 Standard Supporter
    edited December 2023
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    I have cousins in Tejas that went to A&M and Tech edit: and TCU - the hate towards the Longhorns is intense. They cheer on any team playing Texas. They don't even like anything out of Austin for that matter. I accidentally wore an off orange t-shirt while down there one time. Will never happen again.

    I do always tease the cousin from A&M

    UW31-TX27
  • ReignManReignMan Member Posts: 217
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    Tan, Rested and Ready!
  • PostGameOrangeSlicesPostGameOrangeSlices Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 26,978 Swaye's Wigwam
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