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To kick or not to kick

RaceBannon
RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,013 Founders Club
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Normally I am Dan Lanning all coked up when it cones to going for it on 4th down. I like to say that settling for field goals will lose you the game. I like to say that

However Oregon State last year, Oregon this year, and UW against Utah has got me to thinking

DeBoer took the points. At 28-24 early in the 2nd half when we didn't know that the Utah offense had got on the plane, I thought kicking that field goal - the 2nd one of the game- might be a mistake

Nothing is linear so we don't know if not kicking and getting stopped would have changed the game It was 6 points in a 7 point win but you have a failed 2 point conversion and Leon Lett to muddy the waters

When possessions are at a premium as they are in both college and pro ball with the clock rules - points matter. Most NFL coaches kick and add on points

And ANALYTICS have never said shit or told anyone what to do. Its a bunch of numbers. A guide. You still need the head coach to make the call. Announcers are retards

I think going for it on 4th down across the 50 makes sense. Starting to think that kicking a field goal when in range makes sense too. DAWG sense. Had they made the third one those who had UW minus 9.5 would have went home happy

Another phantom blowout lost. If Leon Lett scores it is 40-28 and I could see a 20 point win

One of these days they will stop leaving points on the field. CCG day
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  • HuskyJW
    HuskyJW Member Posts: 15,294
    edited November 2023
    I understand what analytics say. But it takes the psychology completely out of it.

    Driving down and getting absolutely nothing can be mentally demoralizing.

    Unless you just have horses and know you are gonna score 40 anyways….
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,462 Founders Club
    edited November 2023
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    These big dick coaches didn’t get where they’re at with beta thinking. To kick goes against their big dick strategy. Being an alpha is cool and everything but without logic you’re left with L’s that could’ve been W’s.

    I’m glad our? Insurance salesman is 81% alpha, 9% emotional intelligence, and 10% logic.

    Don James always kicked the field goal or punted.


    (In before Race: 1991 at Nebraska)
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,013 Founders Club
    Also watching Husky games I recall many a time when a USC was going down field and there would be a 3rd down stop and punt on 4th down I would think - why? You can gain a yard in your sleep on our DAWGS

    That's why I defend Lanning on going for it at midfield. We? couldn't stop them, allegedly, and they weren't going to stop us

    USC had to punt from midfield and Penix went 91 yards
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,462 Founders Club
    TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:

    ‘That's why I defend Lanning on going for it at midfield. We? couldn't stop them, allegedly, and they weren't going to stop us‘

    Exactly, everybody in the stadium knew that if Washington got the ball back, they were going to score…

    But you and Race are forgetting that Oregon had all the momentum at that moment. Was it possible for a noticeably wincing Penix to drive 90 yards and score? Of course! Was it a slam dunk? Not at all.

    But we've already litigated this before.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,279 Standard Supporter
    DerekJohnson said:

    TheRoarOfTheCrowd said:

    ‘That's why I defend Lanning on going for it at midfield. We? couldn't stop them, allegedly, and they weren't going to stop us‘

    Exactly, everybody in the stadium knew that if Washington got the ball back, they were going to score…

    But you and Race are forgetting that Oregon had all the momentum at that moment. Was it possible for a noticeably wincing Penix to drive 90 yards and score? Of course! Was it a slam dunk? Not at all.

    But we've already litigated this before.
    Not a slam dunk, but it was a home run guarantee. Punting would have just ensured that Oregon had no clock left to try to tie.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,683 Swaye's Wigwam
    I'm usually in the kick it camp if you need more than a yard, your kicker is competent, and it's under 45 yards. Outside 45 I'm not kicking unless there's something about the situation that forces you, like the end of the half or game.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,113
    DerekJohnson said:

    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    These big dick coaches didn’t get where they’re at with beta thinking. To kick goes against their big dick strategy. Being an alpha is cool and everything but without logic you’re left with L’s that could’ve been W’s.

    I’m glad our? Insurance salesman is 81% alpha, 9% emotional intelligence, and 10% logic.

    Don James always kicked the field goal or punted.


    (In before Race: 1991 at Nebraska)
    Call me old school but my 80 yr old dad gets sick of me saying “take the points.” He actually just laffs but same difference.
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  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    If you have a great defense, field goals make sense. If you don't and/or are competing against an offense you are struggling to stop, then you go for it. That's why Lanning went for it. He knew he likely needed the points. The only questionable one was right before the half, because they get the ball back anyway. Other than that, he made the right decision.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,693 Founders Club
    LoneStarDawg said:

    I feel like the last few weeks the “going for 2 before crunch time” has jumped the shark. Success rate was low and ended up prematurely killing the chances of the team involved.

    The nerds have convinced them that their probability of failing twice in a row are less than the odds of failing on the first attempt, i.e. losing two consecutive coin flips is a 25% chance and a 50% chance of winning the first one. I agree they've jumped the shark here a bit. Your second 2-point play is probably a worse one than your first play. Add to that, sometimes going up 1 with 1:30 left on the clock can be worse than being tied as opponents now have 4 downs and have a sense of urgency to move the ball and take risks.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
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  • TheHB
    TheHB Member Posts: 6,457
    AtomicDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
    I debated. But since the rib cage is entirely inside the body (for most humans), I went with removed.

    Tomato, tomahto
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  • CFetters_Nacho_Lover
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 32,311 Founders Club
    PurpleBaze said:

    TheHB said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
    I debated. But since the rib cage is entirely inside the body (for most humans), I went with removed.

    Tomato, tomahto
    Medical procedure superiority guy right here...
    Every bored has one.
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,156 Founders Club
    Lanning is far too arrogant and thinks he's better than he is. OU in a nutshell since football was invented in 1994.
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,156 Founders Club
    whatshouldicareabout said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Normally I am Dan Lanning all coked up when it cones to going for it on 4th down. I like to say that settling for field goals will lose you the game. I like to say that

    However Oregon State last year, Oregon this year, and UW against Utah has got me to thinking

    DeBoer took the points. At 28-24 early in the 2nd half when we didn't know that the Utah offense had got on the plane, I thought kicking that field goal - the 2nd one of the game- might be a mistake

    Nothing is linear so we don't know if not kicking and getting stopped would have changed the game It was 6 points in a 7 point win but you have a failed 2 point conversion and Leon Lett to muddy the waters

    When possessions are at a premium as they are in both college and pro ball with the clock rules - points matter. Most NFL coaches kick and add on points

    And ANALYTICS have never said shit or told anyone what to do. Its a bunch of numbers. A guide. You still need the head coach to make the call. Announcers are retards

    I think going for it on 4th down across the 50 makes sense. Starting to think that kicking a field goal when in range makes sense too. DAWG sense. Had they made the third one those who had UW minus 9.5 would have went home happy

    Another phantom blowout lost. If Leon Lett scores it is 40-28 and I could see a 20 point win

    One of these days they will stop leaving points on the field. CCG day

    Wonder if Lanning will find a Heisman QB that doesn't go 0/3 passing on crucial 4th downs
    He just needs to find one in his 7th year of college.
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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,156 Founders Club
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    These big dick coaches didn’t get where they’re at with beta thinking. To kick goes against their big dick strategy. Being an alpha is cool and everything but without logic you’re left with L’s that could’ve been W’s.

    I’m glad our? Insurance salesman is 81% alpha, 9% emotional intelligence, and 10% logic.

    When will they learn 3 is average and gets the job done?
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  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    TheHB said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
    I debated. But since the rib cage is entirely inside the body (for most humans), I went with removed.

    Tomato, tomahto
    Medical procedure superiority guy right here...
    Every bored has one.
    It's surprising now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing anyone here claim to be an MD. We have all sorts of smart people across a range of fields. My best guess is that posting here violates the Hippocratic Oath...
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,113
    Mad_Son said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    TheHB said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
    I debated. But since the rib cage is entirely inside the body (for most humans), I went with removed.

    Tomato, tomahto
    Medical procedure superiority guy right here...
    Every bored has one.
    It's surprising now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing anyone here claim to be an MD. We have all sorts of smart people across a range of fields. My best guess is that posting here violates the Hippocratic Oath...
    I wonder if you were a teacher and you posted here and the content leaked if you’d get in trouble like the onlyfans chick making a million a year.
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  • Mad_Son
    Mad_Son Member Posts: 10,194
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Mad_Son said:

    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    PurpleBaze said:

    TheHB said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    TheHB said:

    Yes, people forget Penix had his rib cage removed in the third quarter.

    People forget that.

    *amputated
    I debated. But since the rib cage is entirely inside the body (for most humans), I went with removed.

    Tomato, tomahto
    Medical procedure superiority guy right here...
    Every bored has one.
    It's surprising now that I think about it, I don't recall seeing anyone here claim to be an MD. We have all sorts of smart people across a range of fields. My best guess is that posting here violates the Hippocratic Oath...
    I wonder if you were a teacher and you posted here and the content leaked if you’d get in trouble like the onlyfans chick making a million a year.
    It turns out that Derek's prohibition on calls for genocide is for our own good.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    These big dick coaches didn’t get where they’re at with beta thinking. To kick goes against their big dick strategy. Being an alpha is cool and everything but without logic you’re left with L’s that could’ve been W’s.

    I’m glad our? Insurance salesman is 81% alpha, 9% emotional intelligence, and 10% logic.

    Getting stopped on 4th down makes your dick shrivel up no matter how big you've led yourself to believe it is. Lanning had a bump on his ass instead of a big dick after our? game.
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  • dirtysouwfdawg
    dirtysouwfdawg Member Posts: 14,113
    dflea said:

    dirtysouwfdawg said:

    Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    These big dick coaches didn’t get where they’re at with beta thinking. To kick goes against their big dick strategy. Being an alpha is cool and everything but without logic you’re left with L’s that could’ve been W’s.

    I’m glad our? Insurance salesman is 81% alpha, 9% emotional intelligence, and 10% logic.

    Getting stopped on 4th down makes your dick shrivel up no matter how big you've led yourself to believe it is. Lanning had a bump on his ass instead of a big dick after our? game.
    hemorrhoid.
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