What DeBoer Is
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Were in a damned if you, damned if you don’t on that one, pod-nah.TheHB said:
This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.Muttzen said:A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work. -
Next year we’re going to have to hit the portal hard because most of the talent is leaving.
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Getting Penix here wasn’t small time.FireCohen said:def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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If you take away all of our ugly wins, we've had some good wins.
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I don’t understand this line of reasoning. He has won 15 games in a row and we? Are 8-0 so far this year. The last 2 weeks have been UGLY as fuck no doubt…. But we lose these games in the past rather easily.
By no means do I think he might be the unicorn everyone thought he was… but he is fucking winning after coming in and fixing one of the biggest fucking dreckfests of a season the year before. -
For me, it’s the eye test. Four games in a row, this team has looked eminently beatable. Can’t ignore the simple fact they found a way to win, but the eyes say the losses are coming based on the evidence.CuntWaffle said:I don’t understand this line of reasoning. He has won 15 games in a row and we? Are 8-0 so far this year. The last 2 weeks have been UGLY as fuck no doubt…. But we lose these games in the past rather easily.
By no means do I think he might be the unicorn everyone thought he was… but he is fucking winning after coming in and fixing one of the biggest fucking dreckfests of a season the year before.
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At some point you have to question how much of the recent fucktardery is coaching and how much isn't. At some point, the players need to make a play. It's like the recent discussion about whether tackling is coachable or inherent. The engine of the team under DeBoer is possibly the best quarterback in the country, and he's missed a LOT of passes lately that he just usually doesn't. Three NFL receivers also combined for five uncontested drops and a fumble tonight. That's your four best players playing like decent college players instead of the all-world guys that set your team apart from the rest of the dreck.
There were hands on Stanford's QB multiple times today in the backfield, and he easily got free and scrambled for positive yards. Muhammad got abused on three long passes where he was in perfect position and just didn't make a play on the ball. What's-his-name headbutts a dude for no fucking reason after the whistle and extends what would become a TD drive. Bandes--as the last act in a play in which he accomplished nothing--just decides to go from being a non-factor in the play to a HUGE negative one and reaches up and grabs the OL's facemask as he's falling down.
So it comes down to whether this is Xs and Os or Jimmies and Joes. Is a team full of players that can't help themselves from doing dumb shit a matter of poor coaching/discipline or is it just having dumb players? Is a defense full of guys who can't wrap up a lack of teaching fundamentals or a lack of physical ability? Is the Civil War sawbones tent level of team health a strength and conditioning thing? A practice routine thing? A roster full of players made of glass?
There's a lot of blame to go around here, but that abortion against Stanford was less on the coaches than any of the previous three games. Guys were open and being missed by Penix or dropping the ball. Defenders were in position all night and failing to make the play. Sure, it's the coaches' jobs to get the players ready and in the correct mindset to play, but at some point the players are responsible for their own effort. -
Next year with a new QB is going to be a big test of how good DeBoer is. Penix can cover a lot of warts.
