What DeBoer Is

GrundleStiltzkin

A very good small-time coach. And by all appearances, an affable fellow who can relate to kids well. Good on him.

I know nothing about his tenure at SD Ag & Mining, other than overall record, but I do know some about small college football. A good scheme, a couple great athletes, can make an outsized difference. Talent at coaching and playing diffuses greatly at that level. If you can concentrate some of that talent, you can win big, at least for a while.

Much has been made of DeBoor championship system, but it sure as hell appears to be a one-phase system.

Maybe DeBoor can transition to a successful big time coach. But the dynamics are very, very different than SDA&M or even Fresno.

The stress fractures are widening. Tick tick tick.

HairyBallsDawg

8-0 in the P5, and 2-0 over the ducks.

YellowSnow

Worst 19-2 corch of my life time.

RTD

He hasn’t lost a game in over a year. Until that happens again he’s a big dick playah . I plan to sling plenty of shit when the time comes but it’ll have to wait.

GreenRiverGatorz

I probably won't finally buy into Deboer until he's 40-4.

GrundleStiltzkin

I’d love nothing more than PGOS et al rubbing this all over my face after beating Georgia.

CuntWaffle

Disagree

BennyBeaver

GrundleStiltzkin said:

A very good small-time coach. And by all appearances, an affable fellow who can relate to kids well. Good on him.

I know nothing about his tenure at SD Ag & Mining, other than overall record, but I do know some about small college football. A good scheme, a couple great athletes, can make an outsized difference. Talent at coaching and playing diffuses greatly at that level. If you can concentrate some of that talent, you can win big, at least for a while.

Much has been made of DeBoor championship system, but it sure as hell appears to be a one-phase system.

Maybe DeBoor can transition to a successful big time coach. But the dynamics are very, very different than SDA&M or even Fresno.

The stress fractures are widening. Tick tick tick.

Agree.

biak1

GrundleStiltzkin said:

I’d love nothing more than PGOS et al rubbing this all over my face after beating Georgia.

Same. My inner doog is beaten down with PTSD.

YellowSnow

GreenRiverGatorz said:

I probably won't finally buy into Deboer until he's 40-4.

We suck and seem beat all to shit, and still the W’s keep coming. I hate watching these ugly Dawg shit wins, but beats ugly Dawg shit losses.

LawDawg1

Doesn’t he already have more wins against ranked teams at UW than Petersen did?

I exagerate. But if you take out games against WSU, Peterson was like 8-16. Deboer is 5-0.

FireCohen

def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.

GrundleStiltzkin

FireCohen said:

def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.

And lucky is better than good. If luck wins out, so be it.

Muttzen

A spicy take - I disagree.

We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.

The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.

Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.

Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?


This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.

biak1

I would like the luck to bounce us a few shitty turnovers like our offense is coughing up.

TheHB

Muttzen said:

A spicy take - I disagree.

We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.

The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.

Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.

Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?


This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.

This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.

UW_Doog_Bot

FireCohen said:

def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.

Very much this, petermen always lost these kinds of tight games against shit opponents. Deboner wins them....but we seem to be having a lot of them.

biak1

TheHB said:

Muttzen said:

A spicy take - I disagree.

We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.

The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.

Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.

Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?


This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.

This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.

We have to pay him.

FireCohen

UW_Doog_Bot said:

FireCohen said:

def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.

Very much this, petermen always lost these kinds of tight games against shit opponents. Deboner wins them....but we seem to be having a lot of them.

winning is a skill. he seems to have it. hope he figures out a way to make defenses pay for blitzing

YellowSnow

Muttzen said:

A spicy take - I disagree.

We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.

The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.

Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.

Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?


This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.

Helfrich was an assistant. DeBoer was an a up and comer with HC experience.

I agree though with your take mostly though especially as it relates to depth. We’ve gotta some dudes back in the lineup.

NoWarningJustDawg

I picked something like 5 wins last year, because of an appearance of a shortage of talent, and said anything we got out of a 4-serious-injuries Penix was a bonus. It appears what we got is 1.5 great seasons.

What's left when he's gone? McMillan, maybe? Some unproven QB? The same lack of running game and general mediocre OL? The same shitty defense that cannot tackle? (I'd like to think he makes some coaching changes, but teams that win ~10 games usually don't.)

It'll be a really interesting case for DeBoer. He's never struggled as a head coach, only had success. Not counting the silly 2020 "season", he's got a whopping 1 home loss in his career.

He's won enough to get a year to see what he can put together in our first season in the B1G. If he doesn't, I'll be calling for his head too.