What DeBoer Is
I know nothing about his tenure at SD Ag & Mining, other than overall record, but I do know some about small college football. A good scheme, a couple great athletes, can make an outsized difference. Talent at coaching and playing diffuses greatly at that level. If you can concentrate some of that talent, you can win big, at least for a while.
Much has been made of DeBoor championship system, but it sure as hell appears to be a one-phase system.
Maybe DeBoor can transition to a successful big time coach. But the dynamics are very, very different than SDA&M or even Fresno.
The stress fractures are widening. Tick tick tick.
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8-0 in the P5, and 2-0 over the ducks.
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Worst 19-2 corch of my life time.
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He hasn’t lost a game in over a year. Until that happens again he’s a big dick playah . I plan to sling plenty of shit when the time comes but it’ll have to wait.
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I probably won't finally buy into Deboer until he's 40-4.
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I’d love nothing more than PGOS et al rubbing this all over my face after beating Georgia.
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Disagree
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Agree.GrundleStiltzkin said:A very good small-time coach. And by all appearances, an affable fellow who can relate to kids well. Good on him.
I know nothing about his tenure at SD Ag & Mining, other than overall record, but I do know some about small college football. A good scheme, a couple great athletes, can make an outsized difference. Talent at coaching and playing diffuses greatly at that level. If you can concentrate some of that talent, you can win big, at least for a while.
Much has been made of DeBoor championship system, but it sure as hell appears to be a one-phase system.
Maybe DeBoor can transition to a successful big time coach. But the dynamics are very, very different than SDA&M or even Fresno.
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Same. My inner doog is beaten down with PTSD.GrundleStiltzkin said:I’d love nothing more than PGOS et al rubbing this all over my face after beating Georgia.
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We suck and seem beat all to shit, and still the W’s keep coming. I hate watching these ugly Dawg shit wins, but beats ugly Dawg shit losses.GreenRiverGatorz said:I probably won't finally buy into Deboer until he's 40-4.
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Doesn’t he already have more wins against ranked teams at UW than Petersen did?
I exagerate. But if you take out games against WSU, Peterson was like 8-16. Deboer is 5-0. -
def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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And lucky is better than good. If luck wins out, so be it.FireCohen said:def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work. -
I would like the luck to bounce us a few shitty turnovers like our offense is coughing up.
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This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.Muttzen said:A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.
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Very much this, petermen always lost these kinds of tight games against shit opponents. Deboner wins them....but we seem to be having a lot of them.FireCohen said:def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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We have to pay him.TheHB said:
This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.Muttzen said:A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work. -
winning is a skill. he seems to have it. hope he figures out a way to make defenses pay for blitzingUW_Doog_Bot said:
Very much this, petermen always lost these kinds of tight games against shit opponents. Deboner wins them....but we seem to be having a lot of them.FireCohen said:def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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Helfrich was an assistant. DeBoer was an a up and comer with HC experience.Muttzen said:A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work.
I agree though with your take mostly though especially as it relates to depth. We’ve gotta some dudes back in the lineup. -
I picked something like 5 wins last year, because of an appearance of a shortage of talent, and said anything we got out of a 4-serious-injuries Penix was a bonus. It appears what we got is 1.5 great seasons.
What's left when he's gone? McMillan, maybe? Some unproven QB? The same lack of running game and general mediocre OL? The same shitty defense that cannot tackle? (I'd like to think he makes some coaching changes, but teams that win ~10 games usually don't.)
It'll be a really interesting case for DeBoer. He's never struggled as a head coach, only had success. Not counting the silly 2020 "season", he's got a whopping 1 home loss in his career.
He's won enough to get a year to see what he can put together in our first season in the B1G. If he doesn't, I'll be calling for his head too. -
Were in a damned if you, damned if you don’t on that one, pod-nah.TheHB said:
This is why I’m not in favor of giving DeBoer a $10M contract until we see what happens next year.Muttzen said:A spicy take - I disagree.
We are outplaying our overall talent level thanks to the QB - WR tandem that DeBoer has brought in / developed. That was his doing - and it has paid dividends.
The rest of our team looks good enough to win when everything is clicking smoothly, but we clearly don't have the depth of say, Oregon.
Next year will tell us quite a bit about how much this year was about catching everything just right. Looking ugly or not, we are the last undefeated team in Pac-12 history.
Will we continue to improve development? can we improve recruiting? will we find another star QB?
This year and last year could have been good, and yet somehow, this could be a Helfrich-esque facade. But i think him bringing in Penix, and having it click shows that DeBoer et al. have a system that can work, and they have a track record of making it work. -
Next year we’re going to have to hit the portal hard because most of the talent is leaving.
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Getting Penix here wasn’t small time.FireCohen said:def he is small time, but he does have odd luck. does not get tight in close games and figures out a way to roll in the mud and get shitty wins.
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If you take away all of our ugly wins, we've had some good wins.
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I don’t understand this line of reasoning. He has won 15 games in a row and we? Are 8-0 so far this year. The last 2 weeks have been UGLY as fuck no doubt…. But we lose these games in the past rather easily.
By no means do I think he might be the unicorn everyone thought he was… but he is fucking winning after coming in and fixing one of the biggest fucking dreckfests of a season the year before. -
For me, it’s the eye test. Four games in a row, this team has looked eminently beatable. Can’t ignore the simple fact they found a way to win, but the eyes say the losses are coming based on the evidence.CuntWaffle said:I don’t understand this line of reasoning. He has won 15 games in a row and we? Are 8-0 so far this year. The last 2 weeks have been UGLY as fuck no doubt…. But we lose these games in the past rather easily.
By no means do I think he might be the unicorn everyone thought he was… but he is fucking winning after coming in and fixing one of the biggest fucking dreckfests of a season the year before.
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At some point you have to question how much of the recent fucktardery is coaching and how much isn't. At some point, the players need to make a play. It's like the recent discussion about whether tackling is coachable or inherent. The engine of the team under DeBoer is possibly the best quarterback in the country, and he's missed a LOT of passes lately that he just usually doesn't. Three NFL receivers also combined for five uncontested drops and a fumble tonight. That's your four best players playing like decent college players instead of the all-world guys that set your team apart from the rest of the dreck.
There were hands on Stanford's QB multiple times today in the backfield, and he easily got free and scrambled for positive yards. Muhammad got abused on three long passes where he was in perfect position and just didn't make a play on the ball. What's-his-name headbutts a dude for no fucking reason after the whistle and extends what would become a TD drive. Bandes--as the last act in a play in which he accomplished nothing--just decides to go from being a non-factor in the play to a HUGE negative one and reaches up and grabs the OL's facemask as he's falling down.
So it comes down to whether this is Xs and Os or Jimmies and Joes. Is a team full of players that can't help themselves from doing dumb shit a matter of poor coaching/discipline or is it just having dumb players? Is a defense full of guys who can't wrap up a lack of teaching fundamentals or a lack of physical ability? Is the Civil War sawbones tent level of team health a strength and conditioning thing? A practice routine thing? A roster full of players made of glass?
There's a lot of blame to go around here, but that abortion against Stanford was less on the coaches than any of the previous three games. Guys were open and being missed by Penix or dropping the ball. Defenders were in position all night and failing to make the play. Sure, it's the coaches' jobs to get the players ready and in the correct mindset to play, but at some point the players are responsible for their own effort. -
Next year with a new QB is going to be a big test of how good DeBoer is. Penix can cover a lot of warts.
