Listening to most recent Say Who Say Pod
Danny said something like with Colorado leaving the Pac-12 realizes it got dumped by the ugly chick (or something like that)
Danny thinks Kalashnikov should resign. Nobody can take anything he says as grounded in reality. But he doesn't blame him.
Danny and Christian vaguely put blame on Pac-12 presidents but don't seem to want to criticize Cauce. (That's how I read it. Danny might think that's an unfair assessment.)
Danny doesn't think any of this is the ADs' fault.
Christian summed things up well that the Pac-12's achilles heel has always been arrogance. They think they're above the Big 12.
The Big 12 has recovered well from losing Texas and Oklahoma because they want to succeed.
The Pac 12 is collapsing from its arrogance and impotence (my words but that was the gist)
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Is there incessant giggling?
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I disagree the Big 12 has recovered well. They are more stable but added some shit schools to address the loss of their flagship programs. to that end, the Pac will have to add even worse shit schools but its all shit in the end anyway.
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Yesbananasnblondes said:Is there incessant giggling?
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Danny holds off for a while.bananasnblondes said:Is there incessant giggling?
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Danny has barely giggled at allbananasnblondes said:Is there incessant giggling?
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FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington.
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No, I think NC, Miami, Stanford and ND would be their dream scenario. Notre Dame is their brass ring. With the carrots of Miami and Stanford in tow the B1G then has pretty much all of ND's traditional rivals. Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, Penn st, USC and they then own the Convicts vs Catholics game. Unless UW has a wink wink agreement with the B10 that 24 teams is on the horizon then they should take the B12 money and run. If they get left without a seat they could be forced to play in a MountainPAC conference or pair with the likewise dregs of the ACC and and align with such athletic juggernauts as Duke, BC, Wake Forrest, NC State, Louisville and Syracuse. I also have a feeling that if the P12 dissolves that the B12 could turn around and take that Apple deal. Yormark is aggressive and shrewd. How much would that increase their payment? would they be up to 45 million? That pays a lot of bills.46XiJCAB said:
FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington. -
I can’t wait to quit footballtheknowledge said:
No, I think NC, Miami, Stanford and ND would be their dream scenario. Notre Dame is their brass ring. With the carrots of Miami and Stanford in tow the B1G then has pretty much all of ND's traditional rivals. Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, Penn st, USC and they then own the Convicts vs Catholics game. Unless UW has a wink wink agreement with the B10 that 24 teams is on the horizon then they should take the B12 money and run. If they get left without a seat they could be forced to play in a MountainPAC conference or pair with the likewise dregs of the ACC and and align with such athletic juggernauts as Duke, BC, Wake Forrest, NC State, Louisville and Syracuse. I also have a feeling that if the P12 dissolves that the B12 could turn around and take that Apple deal. Yormark is aggressive and shrewd. How much would that increase their payment? would they be up to 45 million? That pays a lot of bills.46XiJCAB said:
FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington. -
Agreed the dream scenario of the eggheads but where eyeballs are concerned FSU is second only to ND. The B1G should scoop up FSU and UM giving them So. Cal and FL. Imagine a scenario where they have a tOSU v. FSU or UM v. UM as a Saturday Noon game with SC v. PSU as the nightcap. And now become even more attractive to recruits in those States.theknowledge said:
No, I think NC, Miami, Stanford and ND would be their dream scenario. Notre Dame is their brass ring. With the carrots of Miami and Stanford in tow the B1G then has pretty much all of ND's traditional rivals. Michigan, MSU, Purdue, Stanford, Penn st, USC and they then own the Convicts vs Catholics game. Unless UW has a wink wink agreement with the B10 that 24 teams is on the horizon then they should take the B12 money and run. If they get left without a seat they could be forced to play in a MountainPAC conference or pair with the likewise dregs of the ACC and and align with such athletic juggernauts as Duke, BC, Wake Forrest, NC State, Louisville and Syracuse. I also have a feeling that if the P12 dissolves that the B12 could turn around and take that Apple deal. Yormark is aggressive and shrewd. How much would that increase their payment? would they be up to 45 million? That pays a lot of bills.46XiJCAB said:
FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington. -
Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
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Cry more?haie said:Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
In 2024 you'll be dogfighting with ASU for 4th place. -
Pour these tears into my stein.46XiJCAB said:
Cry more?haie said:Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
In 2024 you'll be dogfighting with ASU for 4th place. -
My guess is they don’t want to publicly be criticizing women leaders. Cauce and Cohen are a big part of the conference downfall. They allowed Larry Scott to continue his warpath and weren’t proactive enough in the best interests of UW when the could have had some leverage.
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Hard facts are hard.haie said:
Pour these tears into my stein.46XiJCAB said:
Cry more?haie said:Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
In 2024 you'll be dogfighting with ASU for 4th place. -
Facts hurt too.46XiJCAB said:
Hard facts are hard.haie said:
Pour these tears into my stein.46XiJCAB said:
Cry more?haie said:Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
In 2024 you'll be dogfighting with ASU for 4th place.
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Imagine being so stupid that you think a biased prediction, not rooted in anything tangible whatsoever, is a fact.46XiJCAB said:
Hard facts are hard.haie said:
Pour these tears into my stein.46XiJCAB said:
Cry more?haie said:Blaming the AD's is like blaming middle management. There's plenty to fire Cohen over but this issue is simply UW upper campus needs to go be best at everything. We? are already the flagship school in the region in academies. Time to go to the playoffs regularly and make the LA schools and Oregon cry more.
In 2024 you'll be dogfighting with ASU for 4th place. -
I don't really put any blame on Klianakov or whatever his fucking name is. I think he walked into forgone conclusion of a loss unless he could have somehow convinced the LA schools to stay but I think they're just running from the losing situation he walked into.
My blame for the death of the Pac-12 lies with:
1. Uncontrollable demographic and culture shifts in the region. A lot of the rest stem from this in some way too
2. The struggles of the conference's flagship programs the past 20 years (USC post Pete, UW, UCLA, and ASU never being anything when they could be like fucking west coast Georgia with their instate talent)
3. Poor conference management
4. Poor school president management
5. Long term effect of national media disinterest
6. Other conferences realizing they should run modern offenses with passing QBs -
I am starting to laugh at all the Oregon message boards and threads that boast what a great national brand Oregon is and yet……
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Fucking delusional and always have been.LawDawg1 said:I am starting to laugh at all the Oregon message boards and threads that boast what a great national brand Oregon is and yet……
The rest of the country knows what they are after Phil sells the couch. Hell, they were lucky that Jodie Allen/Vulcans have some thing against him buying the blazers. -
If nothing good comes out of the death of the Pac we at least got this, right?haie said:
Fucking delusional and always have been.LawDawg1 said:I am starting to laugh at all the Oregon message boards and threads that boast what a great national brand Oregon is and yet……
The rest of the country knows what they are after Phil sells the couch. Hell, they were lucky that Jodie Allen/Vulcans have some thing against him buying the blazers. -
If uw football becomes mwc level I will laugh. Serves the admin right for all of the arrogance as stated. I won't really miss it.DerekJohnson said:I'm 75 minutes in. Really good discussion.
Danny said something like with Colorado leaving the Pac-12 realizes it got dumped by the ugly chick (or something like that)
Danny thinks Kalashnikov should resign. Nobody can take anything he says as grounded in reality. But he doesn't blame him.
Danny and Christian vaguely put blame on Pac-12 presidents but don't seem to want to criticize Cauce. (That's how I read it. Danny might think that's an unfair assessment.)
Danny doesn't think any of this is the ADs' fault.
Christian summed things up well that the Pac-12's achilles heel has always been arrogance. They think they're above the Big 12.
The Big 12 has recovered well from losing Texas and Oklahoma because they want to succeed.
The Pac 12 is collapsing from its arrogance and impotence (my words but that was the gist)
This year should be good and it does feel like a swan song. Anything less than getting into the big 10 ruins the program long term. -
They aren't associating with Utah State.AtomicDawg said:
If uw football becomes mwc level I will laugh. Serves the admin right for all of the arrogance as stated. I won't really miss it.DerekJohnson said:I'm 75 minutes in. Really good discussion.
Danny said something like with Colorado leaving the Pac-12 realizes it got dumped by the ugly chick (or something like that)
Danny thinks Kalashnikov should resign. Nobody can take anything he says as grounded in reality. But he doesn't blame him.
Danny and Christian vaguely put blame on Pac-12 presidents but don't seem to want to criticize Cauce. (That's how I read it. Danny might think that's an unfair assessment.)
Danny doesn't think any of this is the ADs' fault.
Christian summed things up well that the Pac-12's achilles heel has always been arrogance. They think they're above the Big 12.
The Big 12 has recovered well from losing Texas and Oklahoma because they want to succeed.
The Pac 12 is collapsing from its arrogance and impotence (my words but that was the gist)
This year should be good and it does feel like a swan song. Anything less than getting into the big 10 ruins the program long term.
Worst case they would take a check from Amazon and go independent. -
Thing is, UW administration doesn’t understand — or care to understand — that playing in a conference like the Mountain West would be a bad thing.
They don’t get it, and never really have.
I fully expect a 2026 schedule that will feature home games against Boise, Oregon State, Fresno, Air Force, San Jose and Cal. -
Same people who did their damnedest not to play in 2020.
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Independent, mwc, broken pac,or big 12. None of it matters of the revenue discrepancy is massive. That's the biggest problem in all of this, they want to value academics when we are talking about football revenue.haie said:
They aren't associating with Utah State.AtomicDawg said:
If uw football becomes mwc level I will laugh. Serves the admin right for all of the arrogance as stated. I won't really miss it.DerekJohnson said:I'm 75 minutes in. Really good discussion.
Danny said something like with Colorado leaving the Pac-12 realizes it got dumped by the ugly chick (or something like that)
Danny thinks Kalashnikov should resign. Nobody can take anything he says as grounded in reality. But he doesn't blame him.
Danny and Christian vaguely put blame on Pac-12 presidents but don't seem to want to criticize Cauce. (That's how I read it. Danny might think that's an unfair assessment.)
Danny doesn't think any of this is the ADs' fault.
Christian summed things up well that the Pac-12's achilles heel has always been arrogance. They think they're above the Big 12.
The Big 12 has recovered well from losing Texas and Oklahoma because they want to succeed.
The Pac 12 is collapsing from its arrogance and impotence (my words but that was the gist)
This year should be good and it does feel like a swan song. Anything less than getting into the big 10 ruins the program long term.
Worst case they would take a check from Amazon and go independent. -
What options did the Big12 have to add schools that weren't "shit" schools?LawDawg1 said:I disagree the Big 12 has recovered well. They are more stable but added some shit schools to address the loss of their flagship programs. to that end, the Pac will have to add even worse shit schools but its all shit in the end anyway.
Fuck the Pac. Fuck the presidents. Fuck the ADs. Fuck the media. FYFMFE.
Which of the 4 programs that they added were "shit" adds?
Considering that the Big12 is going to survive and the PAC has splintered and almost assuredly will not survive ... hard to not say that the Big12 hasn't done what it had to do to continue as a going concern -
@DerekJohnson
Of course they won't criticize Cauce or Jen ... do so and you get your access cut off
It's pretty sad how thin skinned most of the PAC leadership is ... but it's part of the deal at this point -
No - it likely means that it opens the door for UW (and likely Oregon) to go to the Big10 and get to 2046XiJCAB said:
FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington.
ND will remain independent as long as they can -
Sure rhe Big 12 will survive, but what's the point when your completion is making double what you will in revenue? These programs will not will not be competitive on the national stage.Tequilla said:
What options did the Big12 have to add schools that weren't "shit" schools?LawDawg1 said:I disagree the Big 12 has recovered well. They are more stable but added some shit schools to address the loss of their flagship programs. to that end, the Pac will have to add even worse shit schools but its all shit in the end anyway.
Fuck the Pac. Fuck the presidents. Fuck the ADs. Fuck the media. FYFMFE.
Which of the 4 programs that they added were "shit" adds?
Considering that the Big12 is going to survive and the PAC has splintered and almost assuredly will not survive ... hard to not say that the Big12 hasn't done what it had to do to continue as a going concern -
They like 16.Tequilla said:
No - it likely means that it opens the door for UW (and likely Oregon) to go to the Big10 and get to 2046XiJCAB said:
FSU reported to be actively working to ditch ACC. B1G or SEC?
If they go B1G and pull Clemson along, the Big-12 will suddenly become that 1am chick to Oregon and Washington.
ND will remain independent as long as they can
