Mike Martin only has it half right
https://realdawghuskies.com/opinion-the-demise-of-the-conference-of-champions-was-inevitable-thanks-to-larry-scott/
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Thanks Taft!
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Consider the source, Martin probably doesn’t want to on Cohen’s bad side by placing blame on her peers and supervisors.
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Agree 100%. Like a snake oil salesman he wheedled the presidents with all the things they wanted to hear for a decade and they lapped it up like thirsty kittens. When the former Conference of Champions is scattered to the winds all of them have no one to blame but the faces in their own mirrors. Hubris and indifference ended west coast football and the fucking B10 is the lifeline for my favorite team. A truly unforgivable offense. Cauce better take the deal if it’s presented, the Pac is dead.
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The blame lies with the conference athletic directors and presidents that allowed him to remain in power for far too long
fuck the 'let him stay too long,' they hired him. he should have said 'fuck it' and let texas bring their stupid ass longhorn network, nobody watched it (inb4 'nobody watches the p12 network either,' youve clearly never been to china) and figured it out later and set a crazy high exit clause.
i guess you cant expect too much from a guy who focused on tennis. -
He had record viewers of women’s tennis on his watch! Serena Williams probably had nothing to do with it. It was all Larry.rodmansrage said:The blame lies with the conference athletic directors and presidents that allowed him to remain in power for far too long
fuck the 'let him stay too long,' they hired him. he should have said 'fuck it' and let texas bring their stupid ass longhorn network, nobody watched it (inb4 'nobody watches the p12 network either,' youve clearly never been to china) and figured it out later and set a crazy high exit clause.
i guess you cant expect too much from a guy who focused on tennis.
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Women's tennis has always been the top female sport to attract larger audiences. Because they are really good at it.
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If I remember right the AD’s called scott out on his bs and were likely a lot of the leaks that got to canzano and Wilmer prior to his removal. The presidents on the I other hand were defending him to the end.
West coast presidents do t think football matters is what it comes down to. -
UCLA, ASU, and OSU presidents apparently vetoed efforts to remove himAtomicDawg said:If I remember right the AD’s called scott out on his bs and were likely a lot of the leaks that got to canzano and Wilmer prior to his removal. The presidents on the I other hand were defending him to the end.
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As much shit as Larry and the individual school brass deserve there's a lot of shit out of everyone's control that play a factor - mostly the changing of cultures and demographics on the west coast, especially the west coast cities. I know 20 years is a long ago but I keep picturing the crowd at the 2003 Cal USC game when Cal upset the Trojans and what it was like being at that stadium in 2022.
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This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't. -
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't. -
Usc is at fault. The conference’s most storied program, in by far the largest media market, decided to take 12 years off of football. And it was precisely in that 10 year period where the new tv contracts and realignment went down. If Lincoln Riley had been hired in 2012 instead of 2022, the conference Is still together and each school is making 70-80% more through tv.
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You're right, the need for a late window might be what saves Oregon and Washington's asses. I don't think the LA schools alone can each week realistically fill up that late window. The Big 10 would also be wise to try and capitalize on the Friday night window, especially because the SEC seems to have no interest in it and there's NFL so it's kind of a free lunch.AtomicDawg said:
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.
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NBC doesn’t need UW/Oregon but it sure would round out their content. Owning LA, Seattle and Nike U sets up for some potentially great Saturday night football. Wisconsin at UCLA, Michigan at UW, Penn St at Oregon or Ohio State at USC are attractive games that should keep East Coast eyes open long enough to see the product. Pair that with the round Robin of the four west coast teams and you’ve suddenly got more interest and eyeballs than you’ve had for quite some tim
Will you potentially be playing a 9am game in Minneapolis or Iowa City in November? SureGif, Take the good with the bad.
I’d take UWs chances of making a playoff from the Big10 over the P12. 12 playoff slots:
1-from the top ranked AAC, MW or Sun Belt
1 or 2- B12
1 or 2-ACC
1-ND if top 12
3 or 4-SEC
3 or 4-B10
Can UW place top three or four in the B10 on the yearly? If DeBoer is the guy then absolutely. That 70 million per year paired with his drive to win will make it so. If he’s not the guy then UW is Minnesota and they’ll be scratching for the Music City Bowl. I’ll take the $$$ and the chance at this point over playing in the reanimated corpse P12 and I’m sure DeBoer would too if Cauce and Cohen are smart enough to be asking him. -
I’d take UWs chances of making a playoff from the Big10 over the P12.theknowledge said:NBC doesn’t need UW/Oregon but it sure would round out their content. Owning LA, Seattle and Nike U sets up for some potentially great Saturday night football. Wisconsin at UCLA, Michigan at UW, Penn St at Oregon or Ohio State at USC are attractive games that should keep East Coast eyes open long enough to see the product. Pair that with the round Robin of the four west coast teams and you’ve suddenly got more interest and eyeballs than you’ve had for quite some tim
Will you potentially be playing a 9am game in Minneapolis or Iowa City in November? SureGif, Take the good with the bad.
I’d take UWs chances of making a playoff from the Big10 over the P12. 12 playoff slots:
1-from the top ranked AAC, MW or Sun Belt
1 or 2- B12
1 or 2-ACC
1-ND if top 12
3 or 4-SEC
3 or 4-B10
Can UW place top three or four in the B10 on the yearly? If DeBoer is the guy then absolutely. That 70 million per year paired with his drive to win will make it so. If he’s not the guy then UW is Minnesota and they’ll be scratching for the Music City Bowl. I’ll take the $$$ and the chance at this point over playing in the reanimated corpse P12 and I’m sure DeBoer would too if Cauce and Cohen are smart enough to be asking him.
Agree except for the previous retardation. As the 12 teams is a given under either scenario. And the average of the lower 16 in the B12 is >>>>>>>>than the average of the worst of the Pac 8/10. -
SEC and B1G had a cultural mandate to go big in the mega TV deal era. That was a no brainer for those institutional leaders.
PAC presidents, outside of usc and maybe Oregon had no such urgency. -
If pac teams got into the B1G even Stanford vs ucla would get much bigger ratings than it would during the pac days.
If they are official league competition for other B1G schools it brings in extra midwestern eyeballs. -
West coast teams in the B1G would bring in more national viewers than if they were in the PAC.AtomicDawg said:
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.
Moving to the B1G adds value and viewers to any former PAC program and its games.
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If Pete Carroll, chip Kelly, and Jim harbaugh had stayed….ntxduck said:Usc is at fault. The conference’s most storied program, in by far the largest media market, decided to take 12 years off of football. And it was precisely in that 10 year period where the new tv contracts and realignment went down. If Lincoln Riley had been hired in 2012 instead of 2022, the conference Is still together and each school is making 70-80% more through tv.
The pac would be much better. Also, uw would probably still suck. Stiff competition.
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Sounds like you’re saying it’s time to take the gloves off.DerekJohnson said:He blames the fall of the Pac-12 on Larry Scott. The blame lies with the conference athletic directors and presidents that allowed him to remain in power for far too long. In the same manner that the 2008 disaster was Mark Emmert's fault and not Willingham's.
https://realdawghuskies.com/opinion-the-demise-of-the-conference-of-champions-was-inevitable-thanks-to-larry-scott/ -
I’d prefer to have a conference tie breaker be based on non-existent divisions but play a schedule based on divisions and then have two teams that already played each other in the non-existent divisions play again for the conference championship even though it required some poll boosting to make it look like they were the highest ranked teams in the conference before the championship game.
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To play devils advocate for being in a weak conference. Clemson won two natties in the ACC recently
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It helps a lot to skate through a weak conference. TCU just sucked ass. Clemson didn't drop some conference championship to Pitt before winning either of those playoffs.Canadawg said:To play devils advocate for being in a weak conference. Clemson won two natties in the ACC recently
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Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.AtomicDawg said:
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.
Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other -
Problem too is it's not a good window. You'll never see a good Big 10 game scheduled for it. If the Pac-12 was the Big 10 though they'd immediately schedule Ohio State for two 7:30pm west coast kick offs then wonder why their marque team got upset.godawgst said:
Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.AtomicDawg said:
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.
Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other -
People drinking on the east coast don't care that much who is playing as long as someone is playing. Hawaii or SDSU or UW doesn't really matter
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If they force the west coast teams to play early, some big 10 teams Will play in that late window. It’s a give and take. It will probably never be usc or tosu forced to do it though.WoolleyDoog said:
Problem too is it's not a good window. You'll never see a good Big 10 game scheduled for it. If the Pac-12 was the Big 10 though they'd immediately schedule Ohio State for two 7:30pm west coast kick offs then wonder why their marque team got upset.godawgst said:
Pac-12 after dark did more harm than good, as it became what the networks only Wanted the conference for, but don't Need and with that the revenue or lack thereof that comes with it.AtomicDawg said:
Someone has to play the late games. You’re right though, they don’t need the pac 12 to do it. They just need a handful of west coast teams with decent markets regardless of what conference they’re in. This may be the only thing saving udub/oregon. If they go to the big 10, the big 12 has a lot of motivation to get west coast teams to fill that void, otherwise they can’t compete with fox for the same time slot.louism2wash said:This is pure conjecture so be warned that I have no idea what I'm talking about but it seems like the last 15+ years or so were a period in which college football had massive changes mostly related to money and ballooning pay packages of TV deals. Certain conferences saw the landscape changing and realized that they needed to jump in with both feet and start taking advantage of everything this new era had to offer. Conference brass combined with university presidents in the SEC and Big 10 were just way better at navigating the changes than the rest of the conferences. Not sure why but it's clear the Larry Scott and our conference presidents just didn't have the sense of urgency that the Big 10 and SEC had.
Big 10 and SEC jumped out to a early and sizable lead and just kept leveraging their position to gain a bigger and bigger advantage. It probably helped that those conferences were the most relevant from the standpoint of the quality of their teams over the last 15 years as well. The Pac 12 was fucking abysmal during that period. ESPN and the like didn't really "need" the Pac 12 and they still don't.
Espn has their lowball number which allows them to make a (+) profit if the Pac accepts, and if they don't, they will fill that window with MWC games. 10-11 pm on the east coast when those game kick isn't a needle mover one way or the other -
Watching Cal beat tOSU on an after midnight hail Mary in front of 12k fans is the type of realignment Karma I'm here for.
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It's apples and oranges
The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head
The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott. -
@whatshouldicareabout!! Add it to the list!Doogles said:Watching Cal beat tOSU on an after midnight hail Mary in front of 12k fans is the type of realignment Karma I'm here for.
