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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,615 Standard Supporter
    Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.
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  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,942
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

    why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 25,615 Standard Supporter
    LawDawg1 said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

    why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”
    I never said anything about Derek.
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  • LawDawg1
    LawDawg1 Member Posts: 3,942
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    LawDawg1 said:

    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    Mike Martin is full of hot air much like Kim, fatters, LARS, Roof and the rest.

    why does Derek Johnson get fit in “the rest?”
    I never said anything about Derek.
    Exactly
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    Did we?

    We were in the CFP 8 years later ...

    Many programs would sacrifice a few high level donors to be in the CFP

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
    Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

    For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.
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  • seatownfunk
    seatownfunk Member Posts: 807
    RaceBannon said:

    @Tequilla still wants to take the gloves off I see

    Sounds like he is still quite happy that he doesn't lead what appears to be such a pathetic life that is faced with looking for the negativity in every situation.
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    Just when you think it couldn’t get any lower, it did. It’s a really weird argument to make but par for the course. Not sure what you’re trying to justify.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,678 Swaye's Wigwam
    Hh
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
    That could've/should've been OK though. There are always guys like Deboer out there if one looks hard enough. If big hires were out of reach they still could've made a little hire who was kicking ass at whatever he was doing. Sark was a nobody riding Carrol's coat tails.

    They just didn't put in due diligence, or any diligence, when they chose Sarkisian rather than someone with a track record.
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839
    chuck said:

    Hh

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
    That could've/should've been OK though. There are always guys like Deboer out there if one looks hard enough. If big hires were out of reach they still could've made a little hire who was kicking ass at whatever he was doing. Sark was a nobody riding Carrol's coat tails.

    They just didn't put in due diligence, or any diligence, when they chose Sarkisian rather than someone with a track record.
    I honestly don't disagree
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  • whlinder
    whlinder Member Posts: 5,270
    edited May 2023
    I mean it was only 10 years earlier that we big dicked Colorado and hired their coach away. Colorado, which at the time was a GOOD program and had natty'd a couple of years before we did.
    Owen-12 meant we had to take an unproven coordinator. We had previously only hired head coaches with success (Tyrone took Stanford to a Rose Bowl!) or promoted our coordinators internally after some serious success.

    At least we got back to hiring good head coaches or promoting coordinators.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,390 Founders Club
    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    Five years of Sark mediocrity as we put an alcoholic philanderer in charge of Woodward's "orphaned kids", if we're going to be painfully blunt.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,390 Founders Club
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
    Woodward said that Petersen wouldn't even return his call in late 2008
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    Firing Rick in June changed everything for UW

    Not that he would have been great but it set the Gilby Ty disaster in motion

    Consider that Babs did make what looked like a home run hire. Win a Rose Bowl then pop off

    If she fired him after a failure in 03 she could go big game hunting again
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  • animate
    animate Member Posts: 4,245
    - you can blame Scott, that's easy
    - blame the people that enabled him. The presidents ... they wrote their own demise.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    dnc said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    It's apples and oranges

    The state of the P12 is completely on the University President's that not only hired Backhand Larry AND enabled him for so many years when it was so painfully obvious that he was in over his head

    The comparison to Emmert and Tyrone is different in this respect ... Emmert sacrificed 2008 to placate the segment of the population and stakeholders that enabled Tyrone ... everybody knew that Tyrone was on an island in 2008 and it would have never have worked. It's a big difference to sacrifice 1 year for multiple years like the P12 did with Larry Scott.

    We sacrificed so much more than one year.
    This. We could have had a top tier coach if we we hired correctly after Rick or even one year of gilby. Instead we killed the program and had to take a chance on sark.
    You're talking 2003/2004 to 2007 at that point ... 2008 didn't put the program in substantially more of a hole than it already was
    It drastically altered the pool we could realistically hire from.
    Who would UW have gotten after 2007 that they couldn't get in 2008?

    For as much as I have disdain for Sark ... being able to pull in a coordinator from a top program like USC and immediately being able to start the shift back in recruiting positioned UW for the success that they had under Pete.
    Doesn't sound like you have disdain for Sark.
    I'm far from a fan of Sark ...

    UW covered up a lot of the Sark stuff behind the scenes instead of doing anything about it ...

    I just don't buy that the hiring pool was substantially different after 2007 and 2008 ...

    Here's the thing about Petersen, it's not just that he wouldn't listen to UW then ... he wasn't listening to anybody then
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,883 Founders Club
    CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:

    animate said:

    - you can blame Scott, that's easy
    - blame the people that enabled him. The presidents ... they wrote their own demise.

    No such thing as a bad dog, just bad owners
    WOOF
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