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I don’t think there’s ever been the perfect QB specimen like Elway. Guy was just beyond generational, and dragged Broncos teams starting guys like Mark, Jackson, Steve Sewell and Sammy Winder to 3 Super Bowls.
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thechatch said:
I don’t think there’s ever been the perfect QB specimen like Elway. Guy was just beyond generational, and dragged Broncos teams starting guys like Mark, Jackson, Steve Sewell and Sammy Winder to 3 Super Bowls.
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I am a big Joe Burrow fan but he dreams of having Elway’s mobility and arm talent.coronabruin said:thechatch said:I don’t think there’s ever been the perfect QB specimen like Elway. Guy was just beyond generational, and dragged Broncos teams starting guys like Mark, Jackson, Steve Sewell and Sammy Winder to 3 Super Bowls.
Mahomes, Allen and Herbert are the closest current comps and all three play in obviously a much different era of offensive football.
It feels like it’s been 30 years since a QB took a 7 step drop. You aren’t allowed to touch receivers or QBs these days. Used to be you had to basically tackle a guy downfield to get flagged for pass interference.
Sandlot football was maddengly fun to watch. -
Pretty decent chance Elway would be the first overall pick in an NFL all time re-draft.
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I don't think I could pass on him if picking first. I don't think there's a more sure thing to elevate the rest of the team if the supporting talent is less than ideal.Penace said:Pretty decent chance Elway would be the first overall pick in an NFL all time re-draft.
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There’s no doubt in my mind he’s the greatest #1 overall pick of all time. Has to be, right?Penace said:Pretty decent chance Elway would be the first overall pick in an NFL all time re-draft.
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Shooters in Rockford Bay is his hang. Wednesday or Thursday night during the summer.thechatch said:I don’t think there’s ever been the perfect QB specimen like Elway. Guy was just beyond generational, and dragged Broncos teams starting guys like Mark, Jackson, Steve Sewell and Sammy Winder to 3 Super Bowls.
Uncle Denny also makes an appearance on occasion.
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Regardless, bring back the real shoulderpads
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Fun Fact: Elway was born in Port Angeles, WA.
When UW booster Herb Mead was trying to recruit Elway, he told him "You were born in Washington! You can't go to Stanford!"
I can't remember if this next story was in regards to Elway or Dave Wyman, but I think it was Elway. Herb Mead challenged him to a game of ping pong. If Herb won, the kid would have to go to UW.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36165134/2023-nfl-draft-scouts-best-prospects-ever-elway-jackson
The article asks scouts to name they best they ever saw, either on video or in person. Bo Jackson, Anthony Munoz, Elway and Barry Sander made the list. -
Munoz and Barry didn't even go #1 in their own year though as amazing as they were.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36165134/2023-nfl-draft-scouts-best-prospects-ever-elway-jackson
The article asks scouts to name they best they ever saw, either on video or in person. Bo Jackson, Anthony Munoz, Elway and Barry Sander made the list. -
This is a really interesting thought experiment. If we're going value at the time they were picked OJ or Earl Campbell or maybe even Bo Jackson might take the top spot. But if we're drafting in 2023? It's definitely a QB and Elway seems like the most obvious guy. I think you're right.Penace said:Pretty decent chance Elway would be the first overall pick in an NFL all time re-draft.
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Elway and Manning have to be the two greatest #1 overall draft picks.
And Elway got to the SB sooner, more often, and with less talent around him than Peyton did.
Imagine Elway throwing to Jerry Rice or handing off to Edgerrin James in a west coast or spread O.
Guy had to run around for 5min just so 5’9” Vance Johnson could work himself open 40 yards down field… -
I can't think of any player more capable of carrying a team in my lifetime. I was a big sea chicken fan in his day and hated him more than any other player. By the time Denver actually won a super bowl I had come around and really admired him. I was even strangely happy for him.thechatch said:Elway and Manning have to be the two greatest #1 overall draft picks.
And Elway got to the SB sooner, more often, and with less talent around him than Peyton did.
Imagine Elway throwing to Jerry Rice or handing off to Edgerrin James in a west coast or spread O.
Guy had to run around for 5min just so 5’9” Vance Johnson could work himself open 40 yards down field…
If my offense was a well oiled machine, with dominant OL play, a Bill Walsh-like system, and great guys outside and at running back, I might look at some other QBs. Anything less than that and Elway is my guy easily. -
Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings -
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO. -
People forget he was drafted No. 1 by Baltimore but refused to play for the Colts. People forget that.DerekJohnson said:Fun Fact: Elway was born in Port Angeles, WA.
When UW booster Herb Mead was trying to recruit Elway, he told him "You were born in Washington! You can't go to Stanford!"
I can't remember if this next story was in regards to Elway or Dave Wyman, but I think it was Elway. Herb Mead challenged him to a game of ping pong. If Herb won, the kid would have to go to UW. -
I think he does have that kind of mobility (I’ll concede on arm talent, at least in terms of pure strength). It just looks different because the overall athleticism of the defenses is better now.thechatch said:
I am a big Joe Burrow fan but he dreams of having Elway’s mobility and arm talent.coronabruin said:thechatch said:I don’t think there’s ever been the perfect QB specimen like Elway. Guy was just beyond generational, and dragged Broncos teams starting guys like Mark, Jackson, Steve Sewell and Sammy Winder to 3 Super Bowls.
Mahomes, Allen and Herbert are the closest current comps and all three play in obviously a much different era of offensive football.
It feels like it’s been 30 years since a QB took a 7 step drop. You aren’t allowed to touch receivers or QBs these days. Used to be you had to basically tackle a guy downfield to get flagged for pass interference.
Sandlot football was maddengly fun to watch. -
He was also drafted twice by MLB. The Royals took him late out of high school, and the Yankees drafted and signed him in 81, six spots ahead of Tony Gwynn…TheHB said:
People forget he was drafted No. 1 by Baltimore but refused to play for the Colts. People forget that.DerekJohnson said:Fun Fact: Elway was born in Port Angeles, WA.
When UW booster Herb Mead was trying to recruit Elway, he told him "You were born in Washington! You can't go to Stanford!"
I can't remember if this next story was in regards to Elway or Dave Wyman, but I think it was Elway. Herb Mead challenged him to a game of ping pong. If Herb won, the kid would have to go to UW. -
I think about Tom Brady with Elway’s coaching staff/cast in the 80s and I wonder if he’d be in the league longer than 3 years.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings -
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes. -
Sounds like you’re dealing with hypotheticals.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes. -
Yup. Elway was engineered in a lab to be the prototypical NFL QB. A true all-timer. Still, he had a little Jack Lockner in him.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes. -
It’s not hard to when you’re as bright as I am.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:
Sounds like you’re dealing with hypotheticals.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes. -
Hard no, he never had the accuracy to run the West Coast offense like Montana did.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes.
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Accuracy is less important than timing in a WCO.dnc said:
Hard no, he never had the accuracy to run the West Coast offense like Montana did.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes.
80% of your throws are 5-15 yards downfield. -
Yes, and because they are close to the LOS they are often in tighter windows, fitting them in between two defenders, etc. Hence accuracy is key.thechatch said:
Accuracy is less important than timing in a WCO.dnc said:
Hard no, he never had the accuracy to run the West Coast offense like Montana did.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes.
80% of your throws are 5-15 yards downfield.
But you're right, Elway probably didn't have the timing to run the WCO either. -
He'd be good in the spread.dnc said:
Yes, and because they are close to the LOS they are often in tighter windows, fitting them in between two defenders, etc. Hence accuracy is key.thechatch said:
Accuracy is less important than timing in a WCO.dnc said:
Hard no, he never had the accuracy to run the West Coast offense like Montana did.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes.
80% of your throws are 5-15 yards downfield.
But you're right, Elway probably didn't have the timing to run the WCO either. -
Elway's high school coach invented it.chuck said:
He'd be good in the spread.dnc said:
Yes, and because they are close to the LOS they are often in tighter windows, fitting them in between two defenders, etc. Hence accuracy is key.thechatch said:
Accuracy is less important than timing in a WCO.dnc said:
Hard no, he never had the accuracy to run the West Coast offense like Montana did.thechatch said:
Elway played in 1970s era offenses until he had Jim Fassell as his OC in 1993, and he put up his best offensive season ever in year 11.creepycoug said:
People forget that Elway won SBs at a time when he was no longer really winning them. At the time he was truly carrying the team, the SB wasn't kind to him.RaceBannon said:Wouldn't you consider Brady?
I'm a big Elway fan but he wasn't that good in the big ones
Bart Starr too. 5 rings
Agree, tippy top arm talent and mobile and tuff and athletic as all get out. He carried them and was a clutch player. No dispute. But getting it done when it needs to get done? How purely talented were all of Brady's and Montana's teams? I know the latter 49er teams were ridiculous, but I'd argue in '82 Montana was the man and for the rest of them, even with Rice, he was the straw that stirred the drink. Every single player who played with him, Lott included, will tell you the same thing.
The thing that changed Elway's life was Terrell Davis. It is amazing what a legitimate running game can do for a passing game.
These are different players anyway. A lot of football people will tell you that Elway wasn't an elite reader of defenses and that the Bronco offense had to be simplified for him during his first several years in the league. The running around part was in part due to how he played. He settled down later, but there have been other guys who could throw darts and surgically cut you to pieces arguably better than him.
But, yeah, for the big swinging dick QB who can just physically take over a game with his arm and feet and overwhelm you with his jock strap, he was the the top of the mountain IMO and I loved watching him play.
Also has Grays Harbor roots. That's where the Tuff comes from IMO.
The offenses he played in the 80s weren’t dumbed down. They were just pretty dumb. By the time he had a line and a cast of weapons around him(Davis, Sharpe, Smith, McCaffrey, Zimmerman, Nalen). He was 35 years old in a league and at a time where surviving past 30 was an accomplishment for any QB.
If Elway had Montana’s offense around him and Bill Walsh calling plays, he would have put up better numbers than anyone not named Marino and pocketed multiple rings before the decade was out.
But the discussion is whether or not he’s the greatest physical QB prospect of all time and the answer is yes.
80% of your throws are 5-15 yards downfield.
But you're right, Elway probably didn't have the timing to run the WCO either.
Jack Elway, Uncle Denny and Mike Price stole it from him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Re6-p2ywp0
