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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club
    Swaye said:

    RoadTrip said:

    SFGbob said:

    Bob_C said:

    This thread is reeking of we need to nominate McCain and Mitt because they are electable.

    Anyone still pushing the line that Trump is the real conservative obviously wasn't paying attention when he was in office. Trump had no problem using people like Rove when he was running in 2020.
    Who's pushing that Bob? I'm not even saying I don't want Desantis. I appreciate the way he has governed Florida and hope he would do the same federally. I don't trust the terrible fed hires Trump made nor the establishment king makers getting behind Desantis.
    Exactly. This is not cut and dried on either of these dudes. Plenty of pro and con with both of them.

    Trump was great on China, great on energy, great on getting out of endless wars and great on America first. He was terrible on Covid/Vaxx, waffled a bit on gun rights for second, terrible on personnel hires, terrible on being a narcistic retard and basically ran a three ring circus in full attack mode for 7 years now.

    DeSantis was good on the Vid (took him a second), great on media pushback, great on taxes (so was Trump), great on Disney/culture war stuff, etc. But he has been terrible with this latest cozy up to the Bushes and could possibly turn out to be a complete America First charlatan who is completely beholden to the uniparty.

    Look deep enough into anyone's closet and you will always find shit. I personally am titled toward Ron, not because he is more electable (I am not even convinced that is true if Trumps base stays home it's over), but because I would actually prefer Trump-lite where I get most of the policy I want without all the bombast. That said, it's awfully early and if Ron turns out to fully embrace uniparty swamp turds then I am done with him.

    Race is 100% correct though that it doesn't matter which one gets the nomination (so hard for me to envision Ron beating Trump because his base just won't crack no matter what) they are both going to be Hitler to the left. So whoever it is is running against a corrupt media, a corrupt Big Tech and a mail in voting system that will do everything in it's power to ensure either one loses.

    My two coppers.

    So well said. I want to see them debate. Recent history and the liars in establishment media have not documented a truthful account of the greatness which was Ronald Reagan. He fought the deep state in a way much more reminiscent of DeSantis' approach. That said, no Bush can or should be EVER trusted again. They are evil purveyors of globalist agendas.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,834 Founders Club
    Nobody is harder on Bush than me but the conundrum is without their support your Trump with your dick in your hand and no support. The GOP fucked Trump more than the left

    The conundrum is what price to get establishment support?

    4 years from now its not an issue. This time around it is

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  • RoadTrip
    RoadTrip Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,146 Founders Club
    RaceBannon said:

    Nobody is harder on Bush than me but the conundrum is without their support your Trump with your dick in your hand and no support. The GOP fucked Trump more than the left

    The conundrum is what price to get establishment support?

    4 years from now its not an issue. This time around it is

    Race, I think you already know this but nothing will change until the cancer is completely eliminated. It won't happen in my lifetime and, quite frankly, I don't think any of us want to be around when what is required happens.
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    My hope for an issues based GOP primary died in Waco. I want RDS to enter the race and bludgeon the shit out of Trump for as long as the money will last. If it works and he's the nominee I'm very happy. If it doesn't then Trump loses to Gavin. We can then focus on finding the right person to beat him in 2028.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,834 Founders Club
    You guys still hate Trump more than you hate the democrats

    Sad
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    RaceBannon said:

    You guys still hate Trump more than you hate the democrats

    Sad

    I voted for Trump, I haven't voted for a Rat in 30 years.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,561 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    RaceBannon said:

    You guys still hate Trump more than you hate the democrats

    Sad

    I voted for Trump, I haven't voted for a Rat in 30 years.
    I wrote in Ted Cruz in 2016 because I didn't trust Trump. I enthusiastically voted for Trump in 2020. I'll vote for Trump with no reservations in 2024 if he is the republican nominee. Interesting all the discussion from our leftards about which dem they want to vote for in 2024. Just more of that honest conversation they want to have about anything.
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  • georgiaduck
    georgiaduck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,600 Swaye's Wigwam
    Pitchfork51 said:

    Republicans will lose until they drop the abortion shit

    Stacey Abrams ran for Gov on unlimited abortion and masks all day long. As much as libs would like us to believe abortion is just as critical as trans rights, it falls behind unemployment and inflation.

    Whoever the GOP runs, the party needs to show statistics of Californians and New Yorkers moving in droves to Fla, Ga, and Tx. Run videos of Biden lobbying to cut Social Security and shoplifters roaming store aisles without fear of repercussion.

    Finish with Biden gaffes

    Lather rinse repeat.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,834 Founders Club
    But you still hate him

    Now to be fair here at the tug we get plenty of Biden bashing. Guys like Mitch and the GOP leadership prefer Biden to Trump

    Why The GOP Loses
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,561 Standard Supporter
    georgiaduck said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Republicans will lose until they drop the abortion shit

    Stacey Abrams ran for Gov on unlimited abortion and masks all day long. As much as libs would like us to believe abortion is just as critical as trans rights, it falls behind unemployment and inflation.

    Whoever the GOP runs, the party needs to show statistics of Californians and New Yorkers moving in droves to Fla, Ga, and Tx. Run videos of Biden lobbying to cut Social Security and shoplifters roaming store aisles without fear of repercussion.

    Finish with Biden gaffes

    Lather rinse repeat.
    Agreed. The average chardonnay drinking suburban housewife seldom thinks about abortion. These Karens however live in fear. Time to go Lee Atwater and scare the sh*t out of them about crime. White women are getting car jacked on a daily basis and no democrat has the slightest interest in shutting it down. CRT and grooming are losers for the left, but you need ads that show what is going on in the schools. Hell, the Biden administration wanted parents treated as domestic terrorists for bringing up actual books in elementary libraries. When a leftard's immediate response to CRT criticism was that it was only being "discussed" in graduate programs you knew that an actual discussion on it was like salt on a slug.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,834 Founders Club
    Georgia and WL are right. Inslee, Newsom, and Witmer got re elected just as impressively as DeSantis

    People think that Reagan got elected because of the Christian Coalition and abortion. I think that got him a landslide. He got elected the same way Nixon did - Lawn Order

    By election time being a racist opposed to CRT and wanting Trans genocide will alarm the housewives. Alarm them back with some real crime stats

    I didn't care about much of the kids stuff until I got a grand daughter. She'll start kindergarten next fall. Now school stuff is a voting issue for me

    At Thanksgiving some of the small girls were putting female tiaras on a boy and the dads said - knock it off he's a boy. Not worried about our son. The "black community" wants boys and girls

    They will also still vote democrat. Break that and you have something
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,965 Standard Supporter
    pawz said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Sledog said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Bob_C said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Bob_C said:

    SFGbob said:

    Bob_C said:

    This thread is reeking of we need to nominate McCain and Mitt because they are electable.

    Oh I remember. I'm the original team Massie.

    I don't really care who wins the Ron vs Trump primary. But you are kidding yourself if you think it's gonna be Ron.
    What percent of Trump’s base is 100% locked? I would be considered his base in 2020. Not a chance in hell I’m voting for him in a primary.
    Depends, if Ron makes it clear he is his own man, than he could swing some. If he's in the Bush wings pocket, then he's done. If he's not, he'll have the opportunity to clarify that specifically. Can't get to game 7 without winning game 6.
    If there are millions like me it won’t matter how many times we’re told by Trump’s Twitter goon squad that RDS is establishment. We’re not voting Trump.

    His RDS attacks in Waco were greeted by silence. But he’ll just double down which I should be happy about. He will shed his own base.

    So if Trump wins the nomination you're going to vote demonrat?
    I’ve covered this 4 times now. I’ve chosen the Bill Barr approach. He can’t stand Trump but will vote for him over Joey.

    I don’t want Trump. I’ve been clear about it. He’s not a savior but he’s convinced people he is. He wasn’t disciplined enough to win a second term. It should have been a cakewalk.
    You're never going to convince me Joey was the most popular presidential candidate ever.



    Mail in voting... a ballot harvesting... gop needs to up their game
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,728 Standard Supporter
    Perfectly normal vote spike. The trucks come early in the wee morning hours when the counting is shut down. Happens every election.
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,834 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Perfectly normal vote spike. The trucks come early in the wee morning hours when the counting is shut down. Happens every election.

    It will now
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    The DIMS want to play out elections in the gutter. The GOP needs to play where the opposition is.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,786 Swaye's Wigwam
    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,728 Standard Supporter
    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,728 Standard Supporter
    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,845
    WestlinnDuck said:

    georgiaduck said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Republicans will lose until they drop the abortion shit

    Stacey Abrams ran for Gov on unlimited abortion and masks all day long. As much as libs would like us to believe abortion is just as critical as trans rights, it falls behind unemployment and inflation.

    Whoever the GOP runs, the party needs to show statistics of Californians and New Yorkers moving in droves to Fla, Ga, and Tx. Run videos of Biden lobbying to cut Social Security and shoplifters roaming store aisles without fear of repercussion.

    Finish with Biden gaffes

    Lather rinse repeat.
    Agreed. The average chardonnay drinking suburban housewife seldom thinks about abortion. These Karens however live in fear. Time to go Lee Atwater and scare the sh*t out of them about crime. White women are getting car jacked on a daily basis and no democrat has the slightest interest in shutting it down. CRT and grooming are losers for the left, but you need ads that show what is going on in the schools. Hell, the Biden administration wanted parents treated as domestic terrorists for bringing up actual books in elementary libraries. When a leftard's immediate response to CRT criticism was that it was only being "discussed" in graduate programs you knew that an actual discussion on it was like salt on a slug.
    Says the Dog Whistler…
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,708 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
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  • Blueduck
    Blueduck Member Posts: 1,600
    PurpleThrobber said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Trump clearly had an effect and since the GOP lost a negative effect

    But don't let that cover up larger reasons why the GOP are a bunch of pussy losers. They get paid win or lose. Losing can pay better.

    GOP never embraced Trump or his base. Now the establishment has to run against that base. Good luck the rest of the way

    They hated St Reagan and his base too.

    The GOP lost to a brain dead turnip in PA and like a beaten wife blamed themselves for not having dinner ready on time. TRUMP! OZ!

    Hello? 99% of candidates are shitty. Doesn't stop the democrats

    People forget Cocaine Mitch fucked with the purse strings all over the country - especially in Alaska - to defeat MAGA candidates.

    People forget that.

    haie said:

    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
    How so?
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  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,448 Founders Club
    haie said:

    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
    Anecdotal.

    @MelloDawg did I do that right?


    Sorry you needed serious medical care. But that shit needs to be cheaper, not more expensive. Obamacare usurps historical economic modeling that makes advances in technology cheaper over tim. Obamacare hardened the monopoly and makes access to care MORE difficult and MORE expensive for those who do not work for government or a Fortune 1000.

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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    "It's a sad day for America" from the Corrupt Media as they attempt to mask their joy.
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,728 Standard Supporter
    haie said:

    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
    Is this a Dazzler alt account or are there 2 people this fucking dumb in the world?
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,662 Founders Club
    haie said:

    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
    Lol
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,708 Founders Club
    Sledog said:

    haie said:

    Sledog said:

    Pitchfork51 said:

    Sledog said:

    LebamDawg said:

    So far what I have gotten out of this thread, the ruling party will win big.

    Which consists of old white men, a few entrenched blacks, younger guys already in power who suck the government tit, and whomever the Dems select to run for President.

    If a big Red wave hits again the GOP will only lose 2 senate seats and 17 congressional seats.

    The cheat is the problem. Dims are in full communist mode and if they get power again the country is done. They want civil war and may well get it.
    Lol that's like word for word what the people on the left say about republicans
    Let me know when they indict Obama.
    Why would they indict a national hero? Dude should be talked about the same way George Washington is. Obamacare literally saved my life.
    Is this a Dazzler alt account or are there 2 people this fucking dumb in the world?
    Fucking LOL
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