Dick Baird opines on the TUFF schedule
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Illinois is a B game. Its a fucking Big10 team. I know they have more talent than WSU (who beat us) 2-10 or not! Scheelhasse has been their 5 years, and is a legit duel threat senior qb compared to Price, who is more of a 1/2 threat qbSoutherndawg said:I too laughed at referring to BSU, Illinois and Idaho State as an ABC schedule. The only saving grace is the road trip to Chicago.
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I think our tradition along with Sark's politician act makes some outside members of the media believe we are better than we actually are.DerekJohnson said:
Those two articles were probably written by people old enough to remember 1991RoadDawg55 said:
I don't think people view us as being as bad are we really are. I've seen two articles on USC that pointed out the fact that USC doesn't have to play UW and Oregon as a benefit to their schedule. Oregon is understandable, UW not so much.DerekJohnson said:
I think people view us as a Utahtracker said:
Kind of makes me wonder what other teams think about playing Washington.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
To be fair, it's a B-C-F schedule. Illinois is a BCS conference team after all.TheKobeStopper said:
Bairds been using this FS talking point for years. Oh having to play a good team your first game is so hard, except that your opponent is in the exact same position. There is no advantage gained by playing Boise in the third game if they also get to play two games before it. It only makes sense if you are incapable of thinking.PurpleJ said:"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.
And calling Boise an A game and Illinois a B game. Christ. UW is playing a B-F-F ooc schedule.
Are we a B or C game?
Fuck.
Then again, we did only receive 3 votes in the coaches poll, so the perception can't be too high.
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He drives the bandwagon for the "we can't fire sark we've had too much coaching turnover already." and "we need to stop firing coaches"Passion said:dick "coaches-should-never-get-fired" baird? The guy has absolutely Z-E-R-O credibility. An ex-coach? Sure, but he has ruined his good name with the constant excuses and pandering over the past decade plus. I want to urinate in his bourbon.
Not to mention he actually had the audacity to scrap with me on air. What gall.
He needs to realize this argument has 0 credibility. Over the last 10 years we've fired Rick, Gilby, and TY. So in his opinion, firing coaches caused our downfall, not the quality of coaches. Last year he was advocating for us to leep Holt. my god imagine our record if he was still on our staff last year.
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Fucking dreckfest from the B1G is a C. That conference is Ohio State and a whole lot of dwarves.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Illinois is a B game. Its a fucking Big10 team. I know they have more talent than WSU (who beat us) 2-10 or not! Scheelhasse has been their 5 years, and is a legit duel threat senior qb compared to Price, who is more of a 1/2 threat qbSoutherndawg said:I too laughed at referring to BSU, Illinois and Idaho State as an ABC schedule. The only saving grace is the road trip to Chicago.
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He cannot cite causationdhdawg said:
He drives the bandwagon for the "we can't fire sark we've had too much coaching turnover already." and "we need to stop firing coaches"Passion said:dick "coaches-should-never-get-fired" baird? The guy has absolutely Z-E-R-O credibility. An ex-coach? Sure, but he has ruined his good name with the constant excuses and pandering over the past decade plus. I want to urinate in his bourbon.
Not to mention he actually had the audacity to scrap with me on air. What gall.
He needs to realize this argument has 0 credibility. Over the last 10 years we've fired Rick, Gilby, and TY. So in his opinion, firing coaches caused our downfall, not the quality of coaches. Last year he was advocating for us to leep Holt. my god imagine our record if he was still on our staff last year. -
Its already been covered Illinois is a C gamepuppylove_sugarsteel said:
Illinois is a B game. Its a fucking Big10 team. I know they have more talent than WSU (who beat us) 2-10 or not! Scheelhasse has been their 5 years, and is a legit duel threat senior qb compared to Price, who is more of a 1/2 threat qbSoutherndawg said:I too laughed at referring to BSU, Illinois and Idaho State as an ABC schedule. The only saving grace is the road trip to Chicago.
Illinois would have lost to WSU last year...
Western Michigan - W 24-7
@ASU - L 45-14
Charleston Southern University - W 44-0
Louisiana Tech - L 52-24
Penn St. - L 35-7
@Wisconsin - L 31-14
@Michigan - L 45-0
Indiana - L 31-17
@Ohio st. - L 31-17
Minnesota - L 17-3
Purdue - L 20-17
@Northwestern - L 50-14
They were 111th in passing yards, 99th in rushing yards, 122nd in points for, and 95th in points against
Out of their 10 losses they were competitive in one of them, they never lead at halftime for any of the losses.
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All (4) of Lambo's losses in 1994 were on the road which made the Whammy In Miami even more surprising. Halfbright had staff hiring problems, especially on offense, and I always believed that was because he only ever was a longtime assistant at UW and never got around enough in his coaching career to know who or where the good assistant coaching talent could be found. His staff had a Pacific NW bias with mostly former coogs and vandals if they weren't Huskies and of course, he didn't have a football knowledgeable AD in Hedges to help him with the staffing. This sounds kind of familiar except that Sark had much less experience as an assistant and coordinator before getting the UW job.Southerndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
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I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought that team was headed towards a 10-1 season. -
I'm guessing we'd be 7-6.dhdawg said:
Last year he was advocating for us to leep Holt. my god imagine our record if he was still on our staff last year.Passion said:dick "coaches-should-never-get-fired" baird? The guy has absolutely Z-E-R-O credibility. An ex-coach? Sure, but he has ruined his good name with the constant excuses and pandering over the past decade plus. I want to urinate in his bourbon.
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PurpleJ said:
"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought
that team was headed towards a 10-1 season.
10-1? I don't know about that. WHOREgon (lol) did end up making the Rose Bowl that yr., and the Kooks made a bowl game as well. There wasn't top ten talent on that team. 9-2 would've been a very good year, and 8-3 seems about right.
'97 was the Lambo team that pissed me off. Going from a number 2 ranking to losing to Ryan Leaf and the Coogs to end up 7-4 made me want him fired.
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Going into the year though Oregon wasn't though of as much though. I remember the sentiment was survive the first four games which UW did going 3-1 and the rest of the season sets up nicely.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:PurpleJ said:"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought
that team was headed towards a 10-1 season.
10-1? I don't know about that. WHOREgon (lol) did end up making the Rose Bowl that yr., and the Kooks made a bowl game as well. There wasn't top ten talent on that team. 9-2 would've been a very good year, and 8-3 seems about right.
'97 was the Lambo team that pissed me off. Going from a number 2 ranking to losing to Ryan Leaf and the Coogs to end up 7-4 made me want him fired.
Now as for 1997? That team with the right coach could have won the national title. That year they sent like 13 guys to the NFL. I think the 1994, 1996 and 1997 teams had more talent than the 2000 team who won the Rose Bowl. -
He_Needs_More_Time said:
Going into the year though Oregon wasn't though of as much though. I remember the sentiment was survive the first four games which UW did going 3-1 and the rest of the season sets up nicely.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:PurpleJ said:"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought
that team was headed towards a 10-1 season.
10-1? I don't know about that. WHOREgon (lol) did end up making the Rose Bowl that yr., and the Kooks made a bowl game as well. There wasn't top ten talent on that team. 9-2 would've been a very good year, and 8-3 seems about right.
'97 was the Lambo team that pissed me off. Going from a number 2 ranking to losing to Ryan Leaf and the Coogs to end up 7-4 made me want him fired.
Now as for 1997? That team with the right coach could have won the national title. That year they sent like 13 guys to the NFL. I think the 1994, 1996 and 1997 teams had more talent than the 2000 team who won the Rose Bowl.
1994 was a down year for the conference in general which made the 7-4 season after beating Ohio State and Miami even more frustrating. As you say, the start seemed to set the season up nicely. Starting out 5-1, a conference title was there for the taking.
Also agree that the '94, '96 and '97 teams had a ton of talent. With proper coaching, those teams really were capable of playing with anyone. Very frustrating era.
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Agree in fact the Pac-10 from 1993-1999 was pretty shitty. Won only won Rose Bowl, typically didn't do well in bowl games or OOC games either.Southerndawg said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
Going into the year though Oregon wasn't though of as much though. I remember the sentiment was survive the first four games which UW did going 3-1 and the rest of the season sets up nicely.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:PurpleJ said:"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought
that team was headed towards a 10-1 season.
10-1? I don't know about that. WHOREgon (lol) did end up making the Rose Bowl that yr., and the Kooks made a bowl game as well. There wasn't top ten talent on that team. 9-2 would've been a very good year, and 8-3 seems about right.
'97 was the Lambo team that pissed me off. Going from a number 2 ranking to losing to Ryan Leaf and the Coogs to end up 7-4 made me want him fired.
Now as for 1997? That team with the right coach could have won the national title. That year they sent like 13 guys to the NFL. I think the 1994, 1996 and 1997 teams had more talent than the 2000 team who won the Rose Bowl.
1994 was a down year for the conference in general which made the 7-4 season after beating Ohio State and Miami even more frustrating. As you say, the start seemed to set the season up nicely. Starting out 5-1, a conference title was there for the taking.
Also agree that the '94, '96 and '97 teams had a ton of talent. With proper coaching, those teams really were capable of playing with anyone. Very frustrating era.
Talking about 1994 our conference had no 10 game winners and every team in conference had 4+ losses but USC who was only 8-3-1. Oregon had lost to Hawaii and Utah that year.
WSU lost to Oregon State that year which back then was a terrible loss.
Stanford the other team UW lost to was 3-7-1. With their other wins being against San Jose State and Oregon State.
Miami was 10-2 finishing the year ranked 6th in the nation. They went 10-1 in the regular season before losing to #1 Nebraska 24-17.
Ohio State was 9-4 that year finishing #9 in the coaches. That 7-4 UW team defeated two top 10 teams and lost to #13 USC(end of season ranking) to start the year.
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Lambright was a borderline terrible coach. He underachieved almost every year. I have tapes of a lot of those games, and the bad coaching is pretty evident when you go back and watch.
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Sadly you are 100% correct and yet Lambo is miles better than Sark.RoadDawg55 said:Lambright was a borderline terrible coach. He underachieved almost every year. I have tapes of a lot of those games, and the bad coaching is pretty evident when you go back and watch.
There was plenty of talent to win more games, and a decent coach would have gotten at least one 10 win season from 94-97.
Lambo was a bad coach. Biggest doog myth there is that firing him was a bad move.
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Passion said:
dick "coaches-should-never-get-fired" baird? The guy has absolutely Z-E-R-O credibility. An ex-coach? Sure, but he has ruined his good name with the constant excuses and pandering over the past decade plus. I want to urinate in his bourbon.
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Not to mention he actually had the audacity to scrap with me on air. What gall.
Huh?
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I wish there was an alternative pre & post Husky game option. My pre/post game travel is 2+ hours and those guys are just to painful for the drive.
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God, that almost sounds Doogish talking about how weak the conference. Seems I made the same point with DJ only facing a ranked WSU, Oregon and OSU team 3 times in his career.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Agree in fact the Pac-10 from 1993-1999 was pretty shitty. Won only won Rose Bowl, typically didn't do well in bowl games or OOC games either.Southerndawg said:He_Needs_More_Time said:
Going into the year though Oregon wasn't though of as much though. I remember the sentiment was survive the first four games which UW did going 3-1 and the rest of the season sets up nicely.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:PurpleJ said:"Although the pre-season has a balance of one really good “A” caliber team (Boise State), one Big Ten “B level” team (Illinois, a 2-10 team last season), and one lower division “C” opponent, (Idaho State), they will be played in that order. Ideally you would want to play in reverse order and progressively improve along with the level of your opponent."
I stopped reading there.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I had always believed in Lambright until the Oregon game.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Lambright should have been fired on the 50 yard line at the end of theSoutherndawg said:That was a friggin disappointing season. Beating Ohio State and Miami in OOC games in the same season back then meant you had enough talent to compete for a conference title. Losing to USC always sucks, but it was downright embarrassing to lose to Oregon, Stanford and the Cougs that year. That was a clear sign that a change at the top would be needed.
Apple CupOregon game.
Damn that year sucked after beating Miami in Miami I thought
that team was headed towards a 10-1 season.
10-1? I don't know about that. WHOREgon (lol) did end up making the Rose Bowl that yr., and the Kooks made a bowl game as well. There wasn't top ten talent on that team. 9-2 would've been a very good year, and 8-3 seems about right.
'97 was the Lambo team that pissed me off. Going from a number 2 ranking to losing to Ryan Leaf and the Coogs to end up 7-4 made me want him fired.
Now as for 1997? That team with the right coach could have won the national title. That year they sent like 13 guys to the NFL. I think the 1994, 1996 and 1997 teams had more talent than the 2000 team who won the Rose Bowl.
1994 was a down year for the conference in general which made the 7-4 season after beating Ohio State and Miami even more frustrating. As you say, the start seemed to set the season up nicely. Starting out 5-1, a conference title was there for the taking.
Also agree that the '94, '96 and '97 teams had a ton of talent. With proper coaching, those teams really were capable of playing with anyone. Very frustrating era.
Talking about 1994 our conference had no 10 game winners and every team in conference had 4+ losses but USC who was only 8-3-1. Oregon had lost to Hawaii and Utah that year.
WSU lost to Oregon State that year which back then was a terrible loss.
Stanford the other team UW lost to was 3-7-1. With their other wins being against San Jose State and Oregon State.
Miami was 10-2 finishing the year ranked 6th in the nation. They went 10-1 in the regular season before losing to #1 Nebraska 24-17.
Ohio State was 9-4 that year finishing #9 in the coaches. That 7-4 UW team defeated two top 10 teams and lost to #13 USC(end of season ranking) to start the year.
That team had the talent had they had the right coach could have gone 10-1.
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How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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Bellotti and Chip, though in Chip's case in particular it's hard to call him the loyal assistant, he was only there for what 2 years before he took the gig? Other than that it's hard to think of any. Career assistants are career assistants for a reason.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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David Shaw has done well his first two seasons, but I totally agree with your point. That's what makes me hopeful about Helfrich. Most likely, he won't be anywhere close to as good as Chip. They rarely are.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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David ShawFire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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Stay at home. The options are infinitely better.IrishDawg22 said:I wish there was an alternative pre & post Husky game option. My pre/post game travel is 2+ hours and those guys are just to painful for the drive.
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David Shaw, Dabo Swinney, Chris Peterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Fitzgerald and Mike Gundy were all assistants on their teams before becoming the head coach. Just 6 of the current top 25. So "often" I believe would be the answer to your question.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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Lambo sucked and I hear he's not the great guy people make him out to be. I personally encountered him once for about 3 seconds (working on a golf course) and my opinion is he's a dick. FWIW I also encountered Gilby. Terrible lazy coach but seemed like a good guy.
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Good post, and I'm surprised it was so many.TheKobeStopper said:
David Shaw, Dabo Swinney, Chris Peterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Fitzgerald and Mike Gundy were all assistants on their teams before becoming the head coach. Just 6 of the current top 25. So "often" I believe would be the answer to your question.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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Yeah, anyone who says it was a mistake to fire Lambo is an idiot. I might give Lambo a slight edge over Sark, but they are somewhat similar in a way as head coaches.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Sadly you are 100% correct and yet Lambo is miles better than Sark.RoadDawg55 said:Lambright was a borderline terrible coach. He underachieved almost every year. I have tapes of a lot of those games, and the bad coaching is pretty evident when you go back and watch.
There was plenty of talent to win more games, and a decent coach would have gotten at least one 10 win season from 94-97.
Lambo was a bad coach. Biggest doog myth there is that firing him was a bad move.
Lambo was a good DC under James, but much of that was because he was coaching under James. Sark was a decent OC at USC, but that was mainly because of the elite talent and Carroll's insistence on running the ball. I still think Sark could be a good OC if he had the right coach restricting what he could call, he's just over his head when he is by himself. It was the same way with Lambo.
When Lambo was head coach, none of his defenses were that special, and Sark's offenses have been misses except for 2011. Even in 2011, the offense didn't do much whenever we played a team with a good defense.
Lambo's defenses ranked 23rd, 31st, 52nd, 36th, 40th, and 76th in points allowed per game when he was head coach. Being ranked 36th and 40th in '96 and '97 was pathetic. He had some very good talent on those defense. Without James, Lambo's defenses became average to below average. Both Lambo and Sark have had bad special teams, anything thing almost every good coach excels at. Neither guy is or was the right guy to lead UW.
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Add Phil Fulmer to that list. Assistant takes over and elevates the program winning to SEC and National Titles.TheKobeStopper said:
David Shaw, Dabo Swinney, Chris Peterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Fitzgerald and Mike Gundy were all assistants on their teams before becoming the head coach. Just 6 of the current top 25. So "often" I believe would be the answer to your question.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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I met a player Catalina Island a few years back ( no homo). He hated lambright. Said he was a dick.HeretoBeatmyChest said:Lambo sucked and I hear he's not the great guy people make him out to be. I personally encountered him once for about 3 seconds (working on a golf course) and my opinion is he's a dick. FWIW I also encountered Gilby. Terrible lazy coach but seemed like a good guy.
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Yeah but stillTheKobeStopper said:
David Shaw, Dabo Swinney, Chris Peterson, Jimbo Fisher, Pat Fitzgerald and Mike Gundy were all assistants on their teams before becoming the head coach. Just 6 of the current top 25. So "often" I believe would be the answer to your question.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:How many times has the loyal assistant ever met or exceeded expectations after becoming h.c.? You have Chimp, but besides him? They almost always get canned a few years later. ADs are stupid, especially ours.
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