As of 10/23, who is the Pac-12 Offensive Player of the Year?

trublue said:

NeGgaPlEaSe said:

thechatch said:

Right now it’s Nix with Penix, DTR, Williams, and the AZ wideout as my top 5.

Give BPE Oregons defense and Running back.

Oregon played 4 RBs against UCLA. Bucky Irving appeared to rise to the top.

Me? I’ll take Oregon’s O-Line as the biggest difference between Oregon and Washington on the offensive side of the ball. Oregon’s O-Line has been great at opening holes and pass protection (excluding the season opener at Georgia).

The mere fact you don’t recognize this defense is pure crap speaks volumes

GreenRiverGatorz said:

TheHB said:

Gave it to the duck because of his ability to run and make things happen. Penix is having a killer year, but without the protection he’s received, not sure he’d be able to improvise like Nix has so far.

Oregon's OL is even better than ours. Nix has been sacked once all year.

Good point. Nix helps his OL a bit more than Penix does with his ability to run.

PurpleBaze said:

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Bored slipping this took to page 2

If Penix had put up 45 points against UCLA like Nix did UW would be 6-1, just like Oregon.

Savior QBs figure out how to make the team win.

Much in the same way people didn’t understand how good WE had it with a decade+ of RBs people didn’t understand just how bad the QB play has been and their views are warped.

Penix is about what sophomore Price was. Although I’ve been disappointed with his deep accuracy and limited running/scrambling ability.

Penix has benefited a lot from dominate pass blocking, some pretty good WRs, and an absolute dreckfest of opponents too.

Penix lost to DTR, he has to beat Nix to really be considered.

dtd said:

In 5 of the Ducks 7 games they had more points at halftime than their opponent scored the entire game.

Washington also tends to double their opponent's score at halftime, this just doesn't seem to stop them from almost losing anyway.

dnc said:

Canadawg said:

Saying "QB" lost to "team" is mouthbreather logic. Take it back to Twitter

Sometimes it is. When comparing the two games against UCLA specifically the biggest difference by far is Penix's two INTs to Nix's 0.

Nix is conference POY until he isn't.

There's no way something like this isn't going to be apples to oranges. There's a who should deserve an award like this then a who will get an award like this. Based off the latter, just hand the trophy to the QB of the winning team. It's both too early in the season for this conversation to happen and who cares anyway, but to address the specific point above, Bo Nix has been down in exactly two games this year. Right after getting down on both occasions, he threw an interception. When you feel like you have to play hero ball and score on every drive, sometimes a QB will panic and start throwing hero balls into triple coverage. Only against Georgia and possibly Cuog has Nix been under the pressure to score that Penix has been under on just about every single drive. Interesting that they've scored TDs on opening drives at a pretty insane clip, when there's no pressure to do so. Apples to Oranges.

That being said, Penix has warts that people ignore because the offense has been effective anyway (against mostly dreck defenses). He completes a lot of passes, but 90% of his throws are just a little off. The kind of throws where even though it's a completion for a first down, it might have gone for another 10 yards if it hit the front shoulder. That sort of thing. He's an excellent college QB that could be great if he were just slightly more accurate. He also tends to lock onto a receiver based off the pre-snap read. Defenses that shift coverage prior to the snap like UCLA and ASU did have caused problems for him.

I haven't watched Nix once this year, so no idea how that compares. Considering the point that Oregon has taken the foot off the gas in most games, had to play Georgia, Washington is the new WSU, yadda yadda yadda, they have similar numbers and play in very different offenses and with very different pressure put on them by their respective defenses.

So who cares.

Kingdome_Urinals said:

TheHB said:

Gave it to the duck because of his ability to run and make things happen. Penix is having a killer year, but without the protection he’s received, not sure he’d be able to improvise like Nix has so far.

Nix is nowhere near the passer that Penix is.

Nix has had a couple good games but I don't think his scrambling completely offsets Penix's superiority and consistency as a passer.

If Penix is QB at Oregon they don't get raped by Georgia and are probably a better team overall.

Lol.

Kingdome_Urinals said:

creepycoug said:

Kingdome_Urinals said:

TheHB said:

Gave it to the duck because of his ability to run and make things happen. Penix is having a killer year, but without the protection he’s received, not sure he’d be able to improvise like Nix has so far.

Nix is nowhere near the passer that Penix is.

Nix has had a couple good games but I don't think his scrambling completely offsets Penix's superiority and consistency as a passer.

If Penix is QB at Oregon they don't get raped by Georgia and are probably a better team overall.

Lol.

If your team is down 17 points who do you want at QB, Nix or Penix? That's how I judge QBs.

It wouldn't matter with UW's defense.

1to392831weretaken said:

dnc said:

Canadawg said:

Saying "QB" lost to "team" is mouthbreather logic. Take it back to Twitter

Sometimes it is. When comparing the two games against UCLA specifically the biggest difference by far is Penix's two INTs to Nix's 0.

Nix is conference POY until he isn't.

There's no way something like this isn't going to be apples to oranges. There's a who should deserve an award like this then a who will get an award like this. Based off the latter, just hand the trophy to the QB of the winning team. It's both too early in the season for this conversation to happen and who cares anyway, but to address the specific point above, Bo Nix has been down in exactly two games this year. Right after getting down on both occasions, he threw an interception. When you feel like you have to play hero ball and score on every drive, sometimes a QB will panic and start throwing hero balls into triple coverage. Only against Georgia and possibly Cuog has Nix been under the pressure to score that Penix has been under on just about every single drive. Interesting that they've scored TDs on opening drives at a pretty insane clip, when there's no pressure to do so. Apples to Oranges.

That being said, Penix has warts that people ignore because the offense has been effective anyway (against mostly dreck defenses). He completes a lot of passes, but 90% of his throws are just a little off. The kind of throws where even though it's a completion for a first down, it might have gone for another 10 yards if it hit the front shoulder. That sort of thing. He's an excellent college QB that could be great if he were just slightly more accurate. He also tends to lock onto a receiver based off the pre-snap read. Defenses that shift coverage prior to the snap like UCLA and ASU did have caused problems for him.

I haven't watched Nix once this year, so no idea how that compares. Considering the point that Oregon has taken the foot off the gas in most games, had to play Georgia, Washington is the new WSU, yadda yadda yadda, they have similar numbers and play in very different offenses and with very different pressure put on them by their respective defenses.

So who cares.

I mean, it's not like these two fuckers aren't going to play each other. One of the cardinal rules around here is winners win, so when we? have head to head, that ends the discussion. So, agree. Plus, USC has a guy pulling the trigger who's pretty good and hasn't DQ'd himself just yet.

dtd said:

Kingdome_Urinals said:

creepycoug said:

Kingdome_Urinals said:

TheHB said:

Gave it to the duck because of his ability to run and make things happen. Penix is having a killer year, but without the protection he’s received, not sure he’d be able to improvise like Nix has so far.

Nix is nowhere near the passer that Penix is.

Nix has had a couple good games but I don't think his scrambling completely offsets Penix's superiority and consistency as a passer.

If Penix is QB at Oregon they don't get raped by Georgia and are probably a better team overall.

Lol.

Nix is coming off his best game of the year so the ball gurgling is in high-gear.

But going 21/37 for 173 yards, 0 TD and 2 INT, is part of why Oregon got dragged by Georgia. Nix has been noncompetitive at times this year. Just a fact.

If your team is down 17 points who do you want at QB, Nix or Penix? That's how I judge QBs.

You're fucking horrible at this. What other game was nix "noncompetitive"? He has 25 fucking TDs and 1 TO since UGA.

Down 12 to WSU with 5 to play:

1st & 10 at ORE 25
(6:41 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Chase Cota for 18 yds to the Oregn 43 for a 1ST down

1st & 10 at ORE 43
(6:17 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Moliki Matavao for 8 yds to the WshSt 49

2nd & 2 at WSU 49
(5:58 - 4th) Bo Nix pass incomplete

3rd & 2 at WSU 49
(5:54 - 4th) Bo Nix pass incomplete

4th & 2 at WSU 49
(5:48 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Bucky Irving for 21 yds to the WshSt 28 for a 1ST down

1st & 10 at WSU 28
(5:24 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Chase Cota for 5 yds to the WshSt 23

2nd & 5 at WSU 23
(4:53 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Kris Hutson for 6 yds to the WshSt 17 for a 1ST down

1st & 10 at WSU 17
(4:37 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Kris Hutson for 6 yds to the WshSt 11

2nd & 4 at WSU 11
(4:13 - 4th) Noah Whittington run for 10 yds to the WshSt 1 for a 1ST down

1st & Goal at WSU 1
(3:54 - 4th) Bo Nix run for no gain to the WshSt 1

2nd & Goal at WSU 1
(3:48 - 4th) Cam McCormick 1 Yd pass from Bo Nix (Camden Lewis Kick)

1st & 10 at ORE 31
(2:35 - 4th) Bucky Irving run for 8 yds to the Oregn 39

2nd & 2 at ORE 39
(2:11 - 4th) Bucky Irving run for 2 yds to the Oregn 41 for a 1ST down

1st & 10 at ORE 41
(2:03 - 4th) Bo Nix pass incomplete

2nd & 10 at ORE 41
(1:55 - 4th) Bo Nix pass complete to Troy Franklin for 9 yds to the 50 yard line

3rd & 1 at 50
(1:21 - 4th) Troy Franklin 50 Yd pass from Bo Nix (Bo Nix Run for Two-Point Conversion)

because you're too fucking stupid to keep up, that's 9/11 for 134 yards and two TDs in the last 4 minutes of the game, to win it.

He’s got a point.

But caring about post season awards is Interesting for about 20 seconds before nobody should really give a shit. Just win the games.

1to392831weretaken said:

creepycoug said:

1to392831weretaken said:

dnc said:

Canadawg said:

Saying "QB" lost to "team" is mouthbreather logic. Take it back to Twitter

Sometimes it is. When comparing the two games against UCLA specifically the biggest difference by far is Penix's two INTs to Nix's 0.

Nix is conference POY until he isn't.

There's no way something like this isn't going to be apples to oranges. There's a who should deserve an award like this then a who will get an award like this. Based off the latter, just hand the trophy to the QB of the winning team. It's both too early in the season for this conversation to happen and who cares anyway, but to address the specific point above, Bo Nix has been down in exactly two games this year. Right after getting down on both occasions, he threw an interception. When you feel like you have to play hero ball and score on every drive, sometimes a QB will panic and start throwing hero balls into triple coverage. Only against Georgia and possibly Cuog has Nix been under the pressure to score that Penix has been under on just about every single drive. Interesting that they've scored TDs on opening drives at a pretty insane clip, when there's no pressure to do so. Apples to Oranges.

That being said, Penix has warts that people ignore because the offense has been effective anyway (against mostly dreck defenses). He completes a lot of passes, but 90% of his throws are just a little off. The kind of throws where even though it's a completion for a first down, it might have gone for another 10 yards if it hit the front shoulder. That sort of thing. He's an excellent college QB that could be great if he were just slightly more accurate. He also tends to lock onto a receiver based off the pre-snap read. Defenses that shift coverage prior to the snap like UCLA and ASU did have caused problems for him.

I haven't watched Nix once this year, so no idea how that compares. Considering the point that Oregon has taken the foot off the gas in most games, had to play Georgia, Washington is the new WSU, yadda yadda yadda, they have similar numbers and play in very different offenses and with very different pressure put on them by their respective defenses.

So who cares.

I mean, it's not like these two fuckers aren't going to play each other. One of the cardinal rules around here is winners win, so when we? have head to head, that ends the discussion. So, agree. Plus, USC has a guy pulling the trigger who's pretty good and hasn't DQ'd himself just yet.

Unless one of them plays defense, this is even less irrelevant than comparing performances against a common opponent (which is a pretty fair point). Besides, if it wasn't clear that the whole point of my 500 word post was to sneak in "Penix has warts," then I fucked up.

"less irrelevant"

ISWYDT

OTOH, our? "winners win" ethos crowns the champs. Pitchers and QBs get an disproportionate share of the credit and the blame. This is America damnit. Penix goes down and lights Oregon up, this is settled IMO.