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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    pawz said:

    Trump cares. Don't overplay your hand

    If Massie has the balls to get in a fight and win I'll vote for him

    Trump cares about signing 2.2 trillion in spending and shilling for big pharma. That we know

    Massie has huge balls. Big enough to stand 420-1. The trump crowd wants no part of him. He doesn't hand out cash and goodies.
    Disagree and disagree.


    It would take bigger balls to be the deciding, dissenting vote when yore* party's agenda is on the line. See: Manchin, Joe.

    420-1 is pure tokenism.



    IMO, you have the Trump crowd all wrong. All wrong.

    If you believe Trump acted with the establishment or not, the perception by his most ardent supporters is he is the populist, antiestablishment candidate fighting against the establishment.

    This is supported moreover by the fact the establishment HATES him. They hate him because he's an outsider in their world. He's not one of them who will toe the line. Thus, the establishment is the greatest ingrates of all-tim, or they know something you don't.

    If you still want to believe he is in the big tent .....


    Facts don't care about your feelings.


    420-1 is standing up for what you believe in. Not going along to get along like jumping on $2./ trillion and shilling for big pharma. But trump is anti establishment. He has the emotional types convinced. TDS goes both ways.

    The establishment loves trump. He greased their palms like they do. Defend his spending without sounding like a shill. You can't
    Wrong

    Its not his spending anymore than it's Biden's

    Basic civics are lost in this country

    People do hate libertarians and do want to vote for representatives that spend lots of money

    Agree there

    Look at the deficit under St Reagan

    Buying votes is as old as time

    DeSantis is going to end social security and kill grandma

    If Massie has balls then run and make the argument

    Or keep playing small clubs and fuck off
    2.2 trillion spending spree. Trump is part of the establishment.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,081 Founders Club
    The GOP establishment hated Reagan for harnessing the revival of the 70s into the landslide of the 80s

    Never have been comfortable with the fundie wing
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,913

    The GOP establishment hated Reagan for harnessing the revival of the 70s into the landslide of the 80s

    Never have been comfortable with the fundie wing

    Folks wanted to burn Reagan at the stake up until about 1982. As it wasn’t until then, that the country started to turn around. And Boy Howdy, did it. Reagan had great advisors all around him. Guys that had connections and had been through all of the political wars and knew how to leverage their power.

    And He needed every one of them, because after around mid 1985, the dementia was starting to win. But the Reagan Revolution marched on despite that.

    Trump never expected to win in 2016. And therefore was behind the sticks and appointed anyone who would take the job.
  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,871
    It’s the economy, stupid.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    I believe Republicans blew it with the roe thing. Which is how you know they don't really want to win

    It will end up a perfect deadlock just how everyone in Washington loves it
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    I believe Republicans blew it with the roe thing. Which is how you know they don't really want to win

    It will end up a perfect deadlock just how everyone in Washington loves it

    Should they have publicly proclaimed that they reject the SC decision?
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over
  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 12,708 Founders Club

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Had we nominated 3 more Roberts justices, we'd be in full on totalitarianism right now.
  • alumni94
    alumni94 Member Posts: 4,871

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Can’t give enough Chins!!!
  • Prestonluv
    Prestonluv Member Posts: 275

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?
    Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.

    My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
    So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.

    SMH.

    I’m just making a point.

    Here is another travesty.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,081 Founders Club
    If Ben Crump is involved...

    Davis said her doctors were unsure if they could legally perform the abortion due to Louisiana’s law, which states that abortion is banned except to prevent the patient's death or in cases of "substantial risk of death due to a physical condition, or to prevent the serious, permanent impairment of a life-sustaining organ of a pregnant woman."

    According to the Louisiana Department of Health, the ban has exemptions for "medically futile" pregnancies, which include a number of fetal abnormalities.

    Sounds like bullshit
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?
    Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.

    My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
    So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.

    SMH.

    I’m just making a point.

    Here is another travesty.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html
    You made a point by lying? Typical
  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 7,989 Standard Supporter

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    Overturning Roe vs Wade was just stupid for a plethora of reasons.

    Namely the poor being the people who have too many babies in the first place. Now they will have more.

    Just stupid. As a conservative I get upset when politicians let religion dictate policy.

    This only hurts the right in the long run and rightfully so.

    I find it fascinating that people think abortion is a religious issue. Simp thinking. @creepycoug am I right?
    Cmon man. If we don’t t the religious peeps piping in than it’s not overturned. Even if overturning it technically isn’t a religious issue the process of getting it overturned is definitely spearheaded by the religious right.

    My daughter lives in Texas and got raped. I’m going to be a grandpa now. Can’t wait.
    So either you're full of shit or she wants the baby. She has/had many opportunities for an abortion in Texas and out.

    SMH.

    I’m just making a point.

    Here is another travesty.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/la-woman-denied-an-abortion-for-fetus-without-skull-says-shell-seek-the-procedure-out-of-state-201409661.html
    Poor baby gets its legs and arms cut off alive instead... brilliant.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,081 Founders Club

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
  • pawz
    pawz Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,470 Founders Club

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    The cool thing is most shitlibs are doing this voluntarily. And any babies they do have are going to get 'gender affirming care'.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    hardhat said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    The cool thing is most shitlibs are doing this voluntarily. And any babies they do have are going to get 'gender affirming care'.
    Eh yeah but poor worthless shitheads are pumping em out by the dozen.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    edited August 2022
    I'm not readin
    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967

    I'm not readin

    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
    I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.

    What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.

    Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,066
    46XiJCAB said:

    I'm not readin

    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
    I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.

    What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.

    Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
    I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.

    Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.

  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    46XiJCAB said:

    I'm not readin

    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
    I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.

    What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.

    Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
    I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.

    Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.

    What if my callous indifference to life was greater toward you than to others?
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,103

    46XiJCAB said:

    I'm not readin

    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
    I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.

    What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.

    Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
    I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.

    Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.

    Why would i have to answer in the next life for the choices of others?

  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,081 Founders Club
    I respect the rights of others and have done my share of saving souls back in the day

    People don't go to hell for abortion or murder or porn. They go to hell for not taking the free gift of salvation. Can't earn it have to believe it

    Nor do I judge others lest I be judged. @creepycoug is judgy IMO. That's a sin too

    This is no place for sermon seekers bro
  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,179 Founders Club

    46XiJCAB said:

    I'm not readin

    pawz said:

    They shouldnt have nominated those justices if they knew it would screw them over

    So promise for decades to do it then don't and that's a winner

    Right

    As already shown here abortion isn't the problem

    Gutless losers are

    Attack attack attack

    Or do nothing and lose
    Forced mandatory abortion is the answer to most of our problems.
    Post birth
    @creepycoug true?!

    I'm not reading all this malarkey. I won on abortion and exposed many men here posing as decent Americans to be morally bankrupt with their expressed indifference to human life. But, but, but state rights!!!!!!!!!!! FO. I won.

    I also won the Key West/Cali Beach Wars, rather convincingly.

    I've been winning a lot around here lately w/o even trying.

    Must be nice ... to be me.
    I was once more middle of the road on abortion until I ran across a group of seniors protesting opposite a PP abortion mill. Every single time I passed they were there. Rain or shine.

    What got me were their posters with images of baby body parts. The little hand laid across the face of a dime was it for me. I can only describe the practice as barbaric.

    Which is why I drove Dazzler out of his mind and to his epic meltdown on the shed. He must have dated Margaret S. back in the day. Or not.
    I would say you have more important work to do with the folks otherwise closer to your general outlook before working on a hardcore liberal like HHusky. Right now, I count me, @RoadTrip , @MikeDamone , @Sledog and, now apparently you, on the right side of this issue. @HoustonHusky and @UW_Doog_Bot cannot escape rational discourse, even if they want to, so I think they're ok too.

    Everyone else, especially @pawz , @RaceBannon and @SFGbob , are going to have to answer for their callous indifference to the rights of others. Either in this life or the next.

    While not always apparent I am humble enough to admit the fallibility of my own reasoning and logic. Especially with smart people who want to discuss things in good faith. I'm not entirely convinced, I have a natural distrust of the government as a moral actor and decider as well as a proclivity towards individual rights and privacy.

    Still, it's hard to see how to scale the walls of logic you have built oh philosopher king.

    It fundamentally rests upon the cornerstone that IF you give a shit about ANY human rights then you must fundamentally give a shit about ALL human rights. A very @MikeDamone classical liberal concept.

    I know that's an uncomfortable idea for our local dissemblers who only trade in partisanship.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 114,081 Founders Club
    We chose the human rights of America and Europe overrun the human rights of Japan and Germany

    More Americans than is commonly known said let the countries being invaded deal with the Axis. A libertarian view

    Liberals wanted a world safe for liberal ideas at a cost of 50 million lives

    The man not executed who kills again is a moral quandary

    I don't trust the state either but eliminating Roe puts it closer to the hands of the people to decide

    I take no issue with a person against abortion.

    I also understand a secular society can end up as bad as a theocracy. American Founders chose secular with a religious basis

    Today we veer toward full secular and the fall of Rome

    Nuance.