Global Warming update

RaceBannon said:

Doogs deserve another ice age

MikeDamone said:

Here is a study that came out recently. It's interesting, or not.

nature.com/ngeo/journal/v6/n8/full/ngeo1874.html

science20.com/news_articles/are_loss_projections_ice_sheets_greenland_and_antarctic_high_or_low_yes-116357

If the ice caps melt, it will be interesting. If we hit another ice age, it will be interesting.

Either way, it will be interesting.

Houhusky said:

I dont know why everyone has always gotta be all Nega-Scientist when talking about anthropogenic global warming... I only ever see articles talking about oceans rising 30 feet, polar bears dying, and shitty island nations disappearing...

why not do a study on the possible positives of the "projected" global warming like higher inland rainfall totals, increased land usage at higher latitudes, year round northern passage shipping lanes, longer growing seasons, and the destruction of Miami and New Orleans for starters

not everything is bad, from a biology and human survival standpoint an ice age (or cooling by a few degrees) is much more dangerous than global warming

Obviously the last point is a matter of scale. Recent glacial maxima only made some places unlivable, much like how (anticipated) global warming will only make some places unlivable. Due to the much smaller circumference near the poles than at the equator the balance of land that becomes accessible to agriculture may not offset the increased desertification of current marginal farm land, but ultimately those are the sorts of matters that are currently actually debatable.

RaceBannon said:

The little ice age decimated Europe. Wait......

"Decimated"

Conditions of the Little Ice Age are much more favorable than many of the possible outcomes of continued global warming. As I said before, the questions are a matter of "how much". Not "if".

RaceBannon said:

If you like starvation and the plague the little ice age was awesome. Continued global warming would require continuity that isn't there. In particular man made. If you think fucked up light bulbs and so called green energy are doing anything then this conversation is over

I have no idea what you are trying to say by "global warming would require continuity that isn't there" but if you like starvation and the plague then global warming is awesome. As someone who explores for oil for a living I think I have a very clear picture of what fucked up light bulbs and so called green energy are doing.

Anyways, I think this conversation is over since I know you're still up in Commifornia but it is bedtime in Texas. Moreso because I really have no desire to waste my time trying to make you understand something you so desperately want to disbelieve. It is really best for my career if you baselessly cast aspersions on global warming anyways.

Also, as an aside, my PhD in geophysics has given me a tremendous understanding of what is happening climatically. As HouHusky pointed out, I am a Climate Change Superiority Guy.

RaceBannon said:

I disparage so called remedies that do nothing other than fuck up the economy. Yes the climate changes. Big fucking deal. Its not global warming its climate change. We get it. The climate changes. Show me an economic model that provides a mitigation as and we'll talk. After you show me that in the billions of years of the climate changing without us this snapshot of time is caused by us. Its not a matter of faith for me to believe that

It almost sounds like youre asking him to show causation. But you couldn't possibly be doing that because I did that once and you all laughed and laughed and made it one of your pathetic little Half Brain jokes that you repeated over and over again. So when you say "caused" you must mean something else. Please explain what you mean by caused because I've seen you admit corellation before and that, by you and your minions standards, is enough to establish something as true.

RaceBannon said:

I disparage so called remedies that do nothing other than fuck up the economy. Yes the climate changes. Big fucking deal. Its not global warming its climate change. We get it. The climate changes. Show me an economic model that provides a mitigation as and we'll talk. After you show me that in the billions of years of the climate changing without us this snapshot of time is caused by us. Its not a matter of faith for me to believe that

It is both. Globally, things are warming. That is why it is called global warming. Average surface temperatures on Earth are rising. Just because the result is not a monotonic increase in temperature everywhere does not mean the globe is not warming.

And to clarify, are you saying the climate needs a full five billion years and that we can't understand it after four or are you really requesting me to post up scientific evidence? If you are truly interested I am happy to go to that effort. Being a denier of facts versus wanting to ensure a smooth economic transition from hydrocarbons to non-hydrocarbons are drastically different things. If I thought the solution was to quit oil now I'd do something else with my life?

RaceBannon said:

The little ice age decimated Europe. Wait......

You really should have gone with the mideival warm period from 1000AD

It was warm enough that it allowed explorers and settlers (Vikings) to island hop and sail from Europe to northern Canada all while growning warm weather crops. They eventually set up the first European settlement in the "new world" in Newfoundland and developed sailing tools and techniques that would be used for the next 800 years to cross the Atlantic.

i'm against global warming, but support the annihilation of polar bears.