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Biden Polls in Free Fall
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The Germans love rules and order. Worked with quite a few of them and it's almost always the same. Hispanics are not in that camp at all.creepycoug said:
I've heard and read the same about Germans. You know, where the guys who cooked up the idea of communism are from. Maybe OBK was right. The Hispanos & the Germans lean naturally toward totalitarianism. I guess I should apologize.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hmmmmmmcreepycoug said:
I think the average Hispano is at least socially conservative. It's not so much a political choice as a byproduct of culture. Some Pac 10 Mexicans tend to get confused by the white devil's prodding toward liberal views, but the Mexicans in Texas and the southwest and southeast are not confused. @UW_Doog_Bot can elucidate more on this for us.Swaye said:Another great thing about the migration of Hispanics rightward will be watching the Dems want to build a wall and get behind border security in 10 years. If they are not introducing a reliable voting block they will want border security as much as conservatives do. We might actually get a functioning and secure border finally.
Despite this, they all have a tendency toward communism. Or so I'm told. @oregonblitzkrieg
1st generation definitely socially conservative.
2nd generation less so. Though I will say, lots of my friends are in the same camp as me where we tend towards social libertarianism rather than social progressivism.
At a funeral a few weeks ago and the divide was stark. There's the one female cousin and the couple of wives who have embraced the LatinX SJW narrative.
Then there's all the guys who are now having families and several who quietly admitted to voting for Trump. We talked about the insanity of schools, how the LGBTQIA2+ movement has jumped the shark, etc. And laughed at the women(quietly behind their backs bc Latinas are spicy tacos and will make a seen, even at a funeral)
I think Hispanics don't have a tendency towards communism but culturally it's very patriarchal and that translates to politics sometimes. They relate to a strong man of the people who will help take care of them Como Padre y Dios. That's why Trump I think won so many over. He's here to fight for them and they know it and can relate to it. It's more populism than anything else.
*shrug just my anecdotal experience and thoughts. Many tacos vote for the dems bc that's the legacy of unions and organizing from the 60's. The same way Trump was breaking traditional strangleholds on unions is part of why Hispanics are questioning their traditional voting.
That's also part of why I have my doubts about DeSantis, will he have that type of ability to attract people regardless of color or traditional voting block? My wife's Puerto Rican family(not by blood) love Papi Santis but the blacks don't seem to so who knows.
That's why blue collar white people used to vote for them too. They woke up. Lolz.
DeSantis just doesn't have Don's charisma. For a decent % of the people out there, that amounts to Trump's bombast and his "willing to say anything to anyone anywhere" shock & awe. Americans like that sort of thing. Or a lot of them do. DeSantis is subdued by comparison. I would guess DeSantis is a lot smarter and has other qualities over Don, but he doesn't have Trump's star power. Don't get me wrong. He's no Ted Cruz, who people naturally dislike for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, even though I share the same instincts about him.
Anyway,
Anyways, Ted has a punch able face. It's gotten better since he grew the beard at least. I think he also learned a lot from Trump and has realized there's hay to be made by positioning himself against the swamp. He's also learned a more direct and combative style where as he had that superior passive style like Trudeau before. That shit doesn't fly on the right as well. I'd rather have Trump just call you an asshole no matter how it plays to "decency".
That's the thing, we are fighting corrupt fascists like little Adolph. I don't want someone who plays nice with them. -
Nothing promises more than Socialism or Communism. Maybe people get sucked in.creepycoug said:
Probably 100% of it. I'm sure there are various cultural traits out there that favor one system over another, all else being equal. I just always thought it was a weird assumption that obk made about Latin Americans.TurdBomber said:
How much of that tendency stems from poverty and corruption?creepycoug said:
I think the average Hispano is at least socially conservative. It's not so much a political choice as a byproduct of culture. Some Pac 10 Mexicans tend to get confused by the white devil's prodding toward liberal views, but the Mexicans in Texas and the southwest and southeast are not confused. @UW_Doog_Bot can elucidate more on this for us.Swaye said:Another great thing about the migration of Hispanics rightward will be watching the Dems want to build a wall and get behind border security in 10 years. If they are not introducing a reliable voting block they will want border security as much as conservatives do. We might actually get a functioning and secure border finally.
Despite this, they all have a tendency toward communism. Or so I'm told. @oregonblitzkrieg
Most of it, I think. I don't think it's innate.
And nothing fails to deliver on those promises by a wider margin. So the able ones migrate El Norte by the millions. -
I feel like I once heard someone say, "It's the Economy, Stupid."hardhat said:
Gee whiz, now who might that have been? -
My kids are of German, Mexican, Scottish, English, Native American, and French descent.
I doubt either of them will really give a shit about any of that whatsoever. That said, their great grandparents and a bunch of great aunts and uncles still live in Mexico City and Guadalajara so maybe there will be some cultural influence there, as that is gently emphasized on my wife’s side of the family.
They’ll figure out pretty soon that the political party that calls them little LatinX tacos and wants to flood the country with waves of people from everywhere in Central America probably doesn’t have their true best interests at heart, no matter what AOC says on her Instagram page. Remember the caravans coming from El Salvador and Nicaragua aren’t exactly the greatest thing for Mexico either.
If we secure our southern border it makes it easier for them to secure theirs. I’m the meantime, this is a votes grab and a building human rights catastrophe in places like California, Texas and Arizona. -
Nothing that helicopter rides can't fixcreepycoug said:
This, despite their innate tendency towards communism, which of course seeks to tear asunder family and all other human relations to anything but the state.MikeDamone said:
Americans of Latin American descent hate illegal immigration and the leftist assault on the family and religion. Simple fact.thechatch said:19% among Hispanic voters is extraordinary. Biden always, always finds a way to fuck it up.
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You should apologize Van. You helped them to hate Trump. Fuck off with your tears.hardhat said: -
They get sucked in because our public school system only indoctrinates and doesn't require any functional understanding of human history and economics let alone any science and math. Toss in the main stream culture which abhors logic and common sense and rewards feelz and virtue signaling. Middle schoolers weren't independently walking out of class in support of St. George Floyd because they actually knew what happened. He was just targeted and killed for being black, although there was no evidence that any racial bias got him killed. Can you imagine a 7th grade white male teacher asking the class if blacks should have a special right to resist arrest? Geezus the kick back would be unbelievable.TurdBomber said:
Nothing promises more than Socialism or Communism. Maybe people get sucked in.creepycoug said:
Probably 100% of it. I'm sure there are various cultural traits out there that favor one system over another, all else being equal. I just always thought it was a weird assumption that obk made about Latin Americans.TurdBomber said:
How much of that tendency stems from poverty and corruption?creepycoug said:
I think the average Hispano is at least socially conservative. It's not so much a political choice as a byproduct of culture. Some Pac 10 Mexicans tend to get confused by the white devil's prodding toward liberal views, but the Mexicans in Texas and the southwest and southeast are not confused. @UW_Doog_Bot can elucidate more on this for us.Swaye said:Another great thing about the migration of Hispanics rightward will be watching the Dems want to build a wall and get behind border security in 10 years. If they are not introducing a reliable voting block they will want border security as much as conservatives do. We might actually get a functioning and secure border finally.
Despite this, they all have a tendency toward communism. Or so I'm told. @oregonblitzkrieg
Most of it, I think. I don't think it's innate.
And nothing fails to deliver on those promises by a wider margin. So the able ones migrate El Norte by the millions. -
Nothing's changed with mecreepycoug said:
I've heard and read the same about Germans. You know, where the guys who cooked up the idea of communism are from. Maybe OBK was right. The Hispanos & the Germans lean naturally toward totalitarianism. I guess I should apologize.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Hmmmmmmcreepycoug said:
I think the average Hispano is at least socially conservative. It's not so much a political choice as a byproduct of culture. Some Pac 10 Mexicans tend to get confused by the white devil's prodding toward liberal views, but the Mexicans in Texas and the southwest and southeast are not confused. @UW_Doog_Bot can elucidate more on this for us.Swaye said:Another great thing about the migration of Hispanics rightward will be watching the Dems want to build a wall and get behind border security in 10 years. If they are not introducing a reliable voting block they will want border security as much as conservatives do. We might actually get a functioning and secure border finally.
Despite this, they all have a tendency toward communism. Or so I'm told. @oregonblitzkrieg
1st generation definitely socially conservative.
2nd generation less so. Though I will say, lots of my friends are in the same camp as me where we tend towards social libertarianism rather than social progressivism.
At a funeral a few weeks ago and the divide was stark. There's the one female cousin and the couple of wives who have embraced the LatinX SJW narrative.
Then there's all the guys who are now having families and several who quietly admitted to voting for Trump. We talked about the insanity of schools, how the LGBTQIA2+ movement has jumped the shark, etc. And laughed at the women(quietly behind their backs bc Latinas are spicy tacos and will make a seen, even at a funeral)
I think Hispanics don't have a tendency towards communism but culturally it's very patriarchal and that translates to politics sometimes. They relate to a strong man of the people who will help take care of them Como Padre y Dios. That's why Trump I think won so many over. He's here to fight for them and they know it and can relate to it. It's more populism than anything else.
*shrug just my anecdotal experience and thoughts. Many tacos vote for the dems bc that's the legacy of unions and organizing from the 60's. The same way Trump was breaking traditional strangleholds on unions is part of why Hispanics are questioning their traditional voting.
That's also part of why I have my doubts about DeSantis, will he have that type of ability to attract people regardless of color or traditional voting block? My wife's Puerto Rican family(not by blood) love Papi Santis but the blacks don't seem to so who knows.
That's why blue collar white people used to vote for them too. They woke up. Lolz.
DeSantis just doesn't have Don's charisma. For a decent % of the people out there, that amounts to Trump's bombast and his "willing to say anything to anyone anywhere" shock & awe. Americans like that sort of thing. Or a lot of them do. DeSantis is subdued by comparison. I would guess DeSantis is a lot smarter and has other qualities over Don, but he doesn't have Trump's star power. Don't get me wrong. He's no Ted Cruz, who people naturally dislike for reasons I can't quite put my finger on, even though I share the same instincts about him.
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I don’t think anyone truly believes that 81% of Hispanics are going to vote for Conservatives in ‘22, ‘24 or ever. I’d believe that 19% approval rating for Hispanic over 50. But 30 and under Hispanic will still vote for anyone with a D next to their name. And there are way more of them than the former. So. No one should take any solace in this poll.
Hispanics are doing incredibly well here in Oregon, mostly with the building boom that started here with Trump but has continued with Biden. And for Latinas, they are starting to dominate the medical fields in the lower to mid levels. Hispanics have no reason to look for new leadership here in Oregon. -
I’m trying to remember the publication, but there was a recent article on the boom in Hispanic-owned small businesses over the last 5-6 years.
As a bloc, SBOs aren’t going to vote D with the way that party is trending. Mexican American men don’t vote D. The women is a bit of a different story, but I can tell you that, as a whole, they absolutely hate what’s currently going on at the border. These are people that worked hard to immigrate here over the past 3-4 generations and they are proud of both their Mexican and American heritage. Being unfairly lumped in with the recent border-jumpers is something that bothers them, and being condescended to by Lilly white politicians on both sides who DGAF about their culture outside of a ballot box is infuriating to many.
My guess is the GOP sees a 10-15% bump in Hispanic voting for the midterms and maybe a bit more in the 2024 general. Enough maybe to make a difference in local races in California and keep Texas and AZ from turning purple in future generals, but who knows.
I’m all for more legal Mexican immigrants. Absolutely a net positive for our society.
