So what’s the point of Ukraine?
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Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
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My understanding is they gave up the nukes in exchange for diplomatic recognition from the US and NATO countries. Not a defensive pact or anything like that.trublue said:Methinks, when the USSR broke apart, Ukraine had some nuclear weapons of the USSR still in their newly established country.
Ukraine transferred the nukes out of their country to the USSR with NATO and our promise that we would come to their aid if they were attacked by Russia. -
Front of Seattle Times today says Biden wants a summit with Putin. Trying to look presidential and to be the hero. USA is a fucking laughingstock.UW_Doog_Bot said:Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
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Ah yes the old obama gift of persuasion. He had his lunch eaten so many times that at the end of his term even BO didn't believe he himself was some gifted negotiator.DerekJohnson said:
Front of Seattle Times today says Biden wants a summit with Putin. Trying to look presidential and to be the hero. USA is a fucking laughingstock.UW_Doog_Bot said:Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
That's the point.
Biden was the joke of the Whitehouse staff for 8 years, now the arrogant corrupt non-thinker is going to call for a meeting with putin. Classic! -
Putin will obviously cower as Biden’s aides wipe mashed peas off his chin
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The summit coordinated by other nations, that one?DerekJohnson said:
Front of Seattle Times today says Biden wants a summit with Putin. Trying to look presidential and to be the hero. USA is a fucking laughingstock.UW_Doog_Bot said:Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
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DerekJohnson said:
Front of Seattle Times today says Biden wants a summit with Putin. Trying to look presidential and to be the hero. USA is a fucking laughingstock.UW_Doog_Bot said:Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
That's the point.
Putin is going to go Moe on Cho Bai Den.
Fuck.
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Good luck finding any news on that.UW_Doog_Bot said:Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?
That's the point.
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Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”
Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers. -
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And you want us to let him, Igor.46XiJCAB said:Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”
Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers. -
The current president of Ukraine is pretty far from a dictator. He has severely limited power and is just a puppet of the oligarch who owned the TV channel he worked for and bankrolled his election campaign against the last guy. The last guy was the Slavic Willy Wonka. They make really fucking good candy though. If you really spoke to people there on any sort of regular basis you’d know what the fuck you’re talking about. Zelenka has such limited power that the judges appointed by the last Russian puppet just say no to anything he tries and say it’s unconstitutional. Ukraine’s government has been fucked since existence but other than the fat Putin puppet that spent time in prison for stealing fur hats from public restrooms there has never been a dictatorial attempt.Sources said:
Wrong, again. At best, it's loosely a parliamentary republic, where the President is just this side of dictator. Even if Ukraine called its government a democracy (which it doesn't), that's in name only.HHusky said:
It is, actually. Imagine my surprise at you saying otherwise, Boris.46XiJCAB said:The Ukrainians have the goods on Joe Crackpipe. He didn’t give a shit about them when Barry was his boss. Now we’re told Democracy is in peril if we don’t jump in. Ukraine isn’t a democracy. FWIW.
Finally, preemptive fuck off before you go full-on CNNtard: I'm married to a Ukrainian and speak with people that live/lived there on a daily basis.
Cool on the wife. Show her this, as someone also from the USSR I’d be curious on her answer - to get an opinion from a Ukrainian: В Украине нет мужчин? Это объясняет, почему они не способны защитить свою родину. Или вы бедные проститутки готовые выйти замуж за любого американского клиента который может купить вас от турецких сутенеров? У вашего народа никогда не было стыда. -
Holy shit, considering your football takes I didn’t expect you to know anything. But this is pretty close to it, so I’m impressed.trublue said:Methinks, when the USSR broke apart, Ukraine had some nuclear weapons of the USSR still in their newly established country.
Ukraine transferred the nukes out of their country to the USSR with NATO and our promise that we would come to their aid if they were attacked by Russia.
1994 Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine gave up a stockpile that dwarfed everyone but the big two - 2,700 nukes. For promises of sovereignty and territorial integrity with the US, UK, and Russia as guarantors. Not binding at all, but the Ukrainian who signed it was paid handsomely by Bill Clinton and the state department. More below about that. It’s the last time anyone will ever give up nukes, and a lot of people at the time didn’t understand that it meant nothing. Revisionist history is now that only Moscow had the codes, and Ukraine couldn’t pay for the upkeep, but good luck telling that to any fat sheikhs or Koreans.
Below: Leonid Kuchma negotiated the deal, his son-in-law is billionaire Viktor Pinchuk. Very close friend of both the Clinton and Trump clans that finances their “charities.” Slick Willy has spent a lot of time with him. Here is Kuchma with his daughter and son in law. He had his moment of fame in the US for selling weapons to the North Koreans and Saddam, part of thousands of hours of audio recordings that were chef’s kiss.
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Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.
Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day. -
Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.RatherBeBrewing said:Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.
Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day. -
Can Biden drag this out until after the midterms? Do the Dems realize this diversion failed?
Stay tuned for breaking diversions later this week or early next week. lather, rinse, repeat until late October -
I'm so glad that Biden stood up to Putin.
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Nothing wrong with caring about the US as top priority. I’m the same way.WestlinnDuck said:
Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.RatherBeBrewing said:Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.
Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day.
At the same time, there are high stakes here. The Euros aren’t going to do shit, it doesn’t matter if even Italy has a bigger economy than Russia. German business interests would never allow it. American hegemony is long gone, maybe we don’t need it anymore or ever even did. But let me tell you, there’s some major fallout coming from watching this happen. It’s the old ounce of prevention for a pound of cure. We’re just kicking the can down the road if we do nothing and eventually the costs will be magnitudes greater.
I’ve spent years working in that part of the world solving problems and I am beyond surprised that it’s gotten to this point, it’s a surreal scenario that is one step away from worst case. The repercussions are bigger than most people realize, and the old man in Washington has done a shitty job explaining them to the American people. -
I've always been for arming them clear back to the days that the bitch you voted for sent them MRE's and blankets. Trump sent Javelin missiles, I approved. I don't want boots on the ground. But you put a vegetable in the oval office and now Putin smells a pussy.HHusky said:
And you want us to let him, Igor.46XiJCAB said:Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”
Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers. -
This is so you, the moron we all know. The vegetable you put in the oval office invited Putin in. Or did you forget he's okay with a "small incursion." You've always sucked at this but you're getting old and senile and more than likely fat, so you forget things, just like your twin Joey Crackpipe.HHusky said:
And you want us to let him, Igor.46XiJCAB said:Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”
Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers. -
We can put sanctions on Russia. I'd also sanction any European country that was taking gas from the Russians. The killer will be to drive down world oil prices with a big increase in US oil and gas production. We aren't and shouldn't get into a shooting war over Ukraine. I'd be happy to make the Euros scream bloody murder at us. What are they going to do - send us a mean tweet. Pull every US soldier out. No big American paychecks going to buy Euro housing and food. Oh, and take out Iran with the Israelis before we let the Iranians have nukes. But the dems and Biden would never even try this, let alone phuck it up with or emasculated military.RatherBeBrewing said:
Nothing wrong with caring about the US as top priority. I’m the same way.WestlinnDuck said:
Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.RatherBeBrewing said:Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.
Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day.
At the same time, there are high stakes here. The Euros aren’t going to do shit, it doesn’t matter if even Italy has a bigger economy than Russia. German business interests would never allow it. American hegemony is long gone, maybe we don’t need it anymore or ever even did. But let me tell you, there’s some major fallout coming from watching this happen. It’s the old ounce of prevention for a pound of cure. We’re just kicking the can down the road if we do nothing and eventually the costs will be magnitudes greater.
I’ve spent years working in that part of the world solving problems and I am beyond surprised that it’s gotten to this point, it’s a surreal scenario that is one step away from worst case. The repercussions are bigger than most people realize, and the old man in Washington has done a shitty job explaining them to the American people. -
If there are no Ukrainian women in it for me I say let putin take it.
Trump did me dirty with venezuelan chicks.
Bidens gonna blow it with Ukrainian chicks.
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Biden bent over for Putin a month ago…it was already known/agreed upon that Russia was going into Donbas. Biden just had a senior moment and spilled the beans early.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-s-minor-incursion-comment-roils-diplomatic-efforts-to-halt-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/ar-AASZeHp -
Better gas up your cars if Joe false flags this bullshit into existence we lose our #2 oil supplier.
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Just trying to figure out if Putin really made Trump his bitch, then why did he wait until after he left office to stir shit up in Ukraine?
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The Russia scare I would say was concocted by Russiahardhat said:Just trying to figure out if Putin really made Trump his bitch, then why did he wait until after he left office to stir shit up in Ukraine?
But realistically it was just standard political nonsense.
Although this makes sense because no one really bought the Russia thing since no one actually sees it as a threat to their daily life.
So what do they do?
Drum up some BS as to how Russia really IS a threat to your daily life and vote Dem or else!
