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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
    I'm so glad that Biden stood up to Putin.
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  • RatherBeBrewing
    RatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
    WestlinnDuck said:

    RatherBeBrewing said:

    Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.

    Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day.

    Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.
    Nothing wrong with caring about the US as top priority. I’m the same way.

    At the same time, there are high stakes here. The Euros aren’t going to do shit, it doesn’t matter if even Italy has a bigger economy than Russia. German business interests would never allow it. American hegemony is long gone, maybe we don’t need it anymore or ever even did. But let me tell you, there’s some major fallout coming from watching this happen. It’s the old ounce of prevention for a pound of cure. We’re just kicking the can down the road if we do nothing and eventually the costs will be magnitudes greater.

    I’ve spent years working in that part of the world solving problems and I am beyond surprised that it’s gotten to this point, it’s a surreal scenario that is one step away from worst case. The repercussions are bigger than most people realize, and the old man in Washington has done a shitty job explaining them to the American people.
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    HHusky said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”

    Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers.

    And you want us to let him, Igor.
    I've always been for arming them clear back to the days that the bitch you voted for sent them MRE's and blankets. Trump sent Javelin missiles, I approved. I don't want boots on the ground. But you put a vegetable in the oval office and now Putin smells a pussy.
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    HHusky said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”

    Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers.

    And you want us to let him, Igor.
    This is so you, the moron we all know. The vegetable you put in the oval office invited Putin in. Or did you forget he's okay with a "small incursion." You've always sucked at this but you're getting old and senile and more than likely fat, so you forget things, just like your twin Joey Crackpipe.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,911 Standard Supporter
    RatherBeBrewing said:

    WestlinnDuck said:

    RatherBeBrewing said:

    Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.

    Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day.

    Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.
    Nothing wrong with caring about the US as top priority. I’m the same way.

    At the same time, there are high stakes here. The Euros aren’t going to do shit, it doesn’t matter if even Italy has a bigger economy than Russia. German business interests would never allow it. American hegemony is long gone, maybe we don’t need it anymore or ever even did. But let me tell you, there’s some major fallout coming from watching this happen. It’s the old ounce of prevention for a pound of cure. We’re just kicking the can down the road if we do nothing and eventually the costs will be magnitudes greater.

    I’ve spent years working in that part of the world solving problems and I am beyond surprised that it’s gotten to this point, it’s a surreal scenario that is one step away from worst case. The repercussions are bigger than most people realize, and the old man in Washington has done a shitty job explaining them to the American people.
    We can put sanctions on Russia. I'd also sanction any European country that was taking gas from the Russians. The killer will be to drive down world oil prices with a big increase in US oil and gas production. We aren't and shouldn't get into a shooting war over Ukraine. I'd be happy to make the Euros scream bloody murder at us. What are they going to do - send us a mean tweet. Pull every US soldier out. No big American paychecks going to buy Euro housing and food. Oh, and take out Iran with the Israelis before we let the Iranians have nukes. But the dems and Biden would never even try this, let alone phuck it up with or emasculated military.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,679
    edited February 2022
    If there are no Ukrainian women in it for me I say let putin take it.

    Trump did me dirty with venezuelan chicks.

    Bidens gonna blow it with Ukrainian chicks.
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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 6,011
    Biden bent over for Putin a month ago…it was already known/agreed upon that Russia was going into Donbas. Biden just had a senior moment and spilled the beans early.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/biden-s-minor-incursion-comment-roils-diplomatic-efforts-to-halt-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/ar-AASZeHp
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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,601 Standard Supporter
    Better gas up your cars if Joe false flags this bullshit into existence we lose our #2 oil supplier.
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,679
    hardhat said:

    Just trying to figure out if Putin really made Trump his bitch, then why did he wait until after he left office to stir shit up in Ukraine?

    The Russia scare I would say was concocted by Russia

    But realistically it was just standard political nonsense.

    Although this makes sense because no one really bought the Russia thing since no one actually sees it as a threat to their daily life.

    So what do they do?


    Drum up some BS as to how Russia really IS a threat to your daily life and vote Dem or else!
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