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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,774 Standard Supporter
    UW_Doog_Bot said:

    Are you all talking about Ukraine instead of Biden at home and the trucker convoy that left this am?


    That's the point.

    Good luck finding any news on that.



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  • hardhat
    hardhat Member Posts: 8,344
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  • 46XiJCAB
    46XiJCAB Member Posts: 20,967
    Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”

    Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers.
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,421 Founders Club
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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,515
    46XiJCAB said:

    Remember during the campaign when Joey Crackpipe said there was no way Putin wanted him to win because, “I’m the only guy to ever go toe to toe with him.”

    Thanks BidenBros. Putin is talking about reconstituting the old Soviet Union. Losers.

    And you want us to let him, Igor.
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  • RatherBeBrewing
    RatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
    Sources said:

    HHusky said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    The Ukrainians have the goods on Joe Crackpipe. He didn’t give a shit about them when Barry was his boss. Now we’re told Democracy is in peril if we don’t jump in. Ukraine isn’t a democracy. FWIW.

    It is, actually. Imagine my surprise at you saying otherwise, Boris.
    Wrong, again. At best, it's loosely a parliamentary republic, where the President is just this side of dictator. Even if Ukraine called its government a democracy (which it doesn't), that's in name only.

    Finally, preemptive fuck off before you go full-on CNNtard: I'm married to a Ukrainian and speak with people that live/lived there on a daily basis.
    The current president of Ukraine is pretty far from a dictator. He has severely limited power and is just a puppet of the oligarch who owned the TV channel he worked for and bankrolled his election campaign against the last guy. The last guy was the Slavic Willy Wonka. They make really fucking good candy though. If you really spoke to people there on any sort of regular basis you’d know what the fuck you’re talking about. Zelenka has such limited power that the judges appointed by the last Russian puppet just say no to anything he tries and say it’s unconstitutional. Ukraine’s government has been fucked since existence but other than the fat Putin puppet that spent time in prison for stealing fur hats from public restrooms there has never been a dictatorial attempt.

    Cool on the wife. Show her this, as someone also from the USSR I’d be curious on her answer - to get an opinion from a Ukrainian: В Украине нет мужчин? Это объясняет, почему они не способны защитить свою родину. Или вы бедные проститутки готовые выйти замуж за любого американского клиента который может купить вас от турецких сутенеров? У вашего народа никогда не было стыда.
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  • RatherBeBrewing
    RatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
    trublue said:

    Methinks, when the USSR broke apart, Ukraine had some nuclear weapons of the USSR still in their newly established country.

    Ukraine transferred the nukes out of their country to the USSR with NATO and our promise that we would come to their aid if they were attacked by Russia.

    Holy shit, considering your football takes I didn’t expect you to know anything. But this is pretty close to it, so I’m impressed.

    1994 Budapest Memorandum. Ukraine gave up a stockpile that dwarfed everyone but the big two - 2,700 nukes. For promises of sovereignty and territorial integrity with the US, UK, and Russia as guarantors. Not binding at all, but the Ukrainian who signed it was paid handsomely by Bill Clinton and the state department. More below about that. It’s the last time anyone will ever give up nukes, and a lot of people at the time didn’t understand that it meant nothing. Revisionist history is now that only Moscow had the codes, and Ukraine couldn’t pay for the upkeep, but good luck telling that to any fat sheikhs or Koreans.

    Below: Leonid Kuchma negotiated the deal, his son-in-law is billionaire Viktor Pinchuk. Very close friend of both the Clinton and Trump clans that finances their “charities.” Slick Willy has spent a lot of time with him. Here is Kuchma with his daughter and son in law. He had his moment of fame in the US for selling weapons to the North Koreans and Saddam, part of thousands of hours of audio recordings that were chef’s kiss.

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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 18,003 Standard Supporter
    RatherBeBrewing said:

    Reading through this thread and it’s funny to me how Americentric all these takes are. I don’t blame y’all. The British are the same way, thinking it’s about them and bringing their internal politics into this. The Germans don’t care as much, they got their discount Russian gas pipeline and checked out. The French are playing the heroic part of diplomat since the others don’t care and are letting them pretend they’re a big boy. Poland is pissed, and as soon as they wipe the grease of their hands and figure out how to use the two factor authorization thingy to unlock their phone they will explain why.

    Anyway, the American transition to becoming a nation of pussies is almost complete. Old Bush started it when presented a golden opportunity he ignored, Clinton was lazy and thought it was over, other Bush or whoever called the shots at least had some balls but traded in their chips to a more cunning player, Obama completely fucked it up worse than any of them, Trump only had four years or he would have rivaled him, and Biden is trying but he’s out of his element and that’s the nicest thing I can say about his entire existence. Magic underwear Romney was partially right, and everyone laughed at him. Never thought I’d see the day.

    Since I'm an American, I like America First takes. If the Euros don't like Putin messing in their backyard, then they should man up. Their combined economies are multiple times as large as Russia. Relying on Russia for their energy is just as smart as relying on the chicoms for all our drugs and then funding their gain of function research on bat viruses at a substandard bio lab.
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,855 Swaye's Wigwam
    Can Biden drag this out until after the midterms? Do the Dems realize this diversion failed?

    Stay tuned for breaking diversions later this week or early next week. lather, rinse, repeat until late October
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