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I don't think these portals are any kind of indictment on the HC or staff. It's just the new norm. Look at the Wyoming situation. Bohl is a solid fixture in Laramie (until he has that one breakout season and Nebraska comes calling) and they lost Levi Williams and their top WR this week. It's happening to every program in cfb. Who knows what these kids want anymore. They belong to the "instant gratification" generation. Instead of working to better their situation the portal has given them the opportunity to simply find a better situation. Or what they perceive as a better situation. The grass is greener effect.DerekJohnson said:
You and Teq made good points and mostly changed my mindDoogles said:Portal opening up plus NIL is wild west crazy shit.
Pretty much every school is a farm league for the 10 programs with systems in place to pay heavy and hard.
We're relying on local business to see an investment in UW that makes sense for them, at the direction of Karen Ramming who is currently in a Kindergarten class somewhere smearing glue on her face.
Bama has an army of backy chewing hillbillies writing blank checks to invest in wins on Saturday.
I don't put any stock into ZTF portaling out as a red flag for Deboer.
He's an injury prone guy who flashed during Covid year. He needs money now because it may not come on Sundays. I would do the same, gotta make hey when the sun shines.
It's one of the reasons I gravitated away from major cfb and towards fcs football and NDSU.
Just sayin
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Bingogodawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
Everybody is on a 1 year contract
No payout constraints (which effectively are in place in every other league in the world cap or no cap)
There’s effectively no rules in the sport with any kind of teeth
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RaceBannon said:
at the direction of Karen Ramming who is currently in a Kindergarten class somewhere smearing glue on her face.
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This was the scene that inspired the comment, tyfysminion_doog said:RaceBannon said:at the direction of Karen Ramming who is currently in a Kindergarten class somewhere smearing glue on her face.
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Woodminion_doog said:RaceBannon said:at the direction of Karen Ramming who is currently in a Kindergarten class somewhere smearing glue on her face.
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I'm sure Breckterfield has given him a call.
This is part of a larger problem in that universities became big business once the Federal government got more involved in financing them via tuition subsidies. Universities staffed up while States cut support to better fund their own pension obligations. The Great Recession compounded it all and then fewer international students paying sky-high tuition rates (while crowding out State applicants who pay 1/4 to 1/5 as much) starting with the China about 5 years ago. Covid accelerated the trend for the 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 school years and we are where we are.Tequilla said:
Bingogodawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
Everybody is on a 1 year contract
No payout constraints (which effectively are in place in every other league in the world cap or no cap)
There’s effectively no rules in the sport with any kind of teeth
It’s a complete joke and will be the death of the sport if they don’t fix in relatively short order
All of the above means the College-Industrial complex is voraciously money hungry. It finally received glaring scrutiny from families, the media, influential businessmen, and even *some* politicians. So in this present environment, schools will do whatever it takes to get the money flowing in and that milking college football as much as they can.
My (hopeful) guess is that it continues for another year or two and then after most conferences have renewed their massive TV deals, they will change the rules because what can't go on forever won't. -
When was the last time or any time you heard of a public university making cuts to administration and staff costs?HFNY said:I'm sure Breckterfield has given him a call.
This is part of a larger problem in that universities became big business once the Federal government got more involved in financing them via tuition subsidies. Universities staffed up while States cut support to better fund their own pension obligations. The Great Recession compounded it all and then fewer international students paying sky-high tuition rates (while crowding out State applicants who pay 1/4 to 1/5 as much) starting with the China about 5 years ago. Covid accelerated the trend for the 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 school years and we are where we are.Tequilla said:
Bingogodawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
Everybody is on a 1 year contract
No payout constraints (which effectively are in place in every other league in the world cap or no cap)
There’s effectively no rules in the sport with any kind of teeth
It’s a complete joke and will be the death of the sport if they don’t fix in relatively short order
All of the above means the College-Industrial complex is voraciously money hungry. It finally received glaring scrutiny from families, the media, influential businessmen, and even *some* politicians. So in this present environment, schools will do whatever it takes to get the money flowing in and that milking college football as much as they can.
My (hopeful) guess is that it continues for another year or two and then after most conferences have renewed their massive TV deals, they will change the rules because what can't go on forever won't. -
It's definitely going down hill faster than originally thought. People/fans will continue asking why are these 'students' even bother going to a university if they moving every year like free agents. And maybe some privately financed companies/non-schools will start taking the leading in really pushing the NIL limits. The next couple of years is going to be entertaining watching more extreme off the field theatrics.Tequilla said:
Bingogodawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
Everybody is on a 1 year contract
No payout constraints (which effectively are in place in every other league in the world cap or no cap)
There’s effectively no rules in the sport with any kind of teeth
It’s a complete joke and will be the death of the sport if they don’t fix in relatively short order -
Yeah they staffed up like the good times would always continue and then haven't cut back.MikeDamone said:
When was the last time or any time you heard of a public university making cuts to administration and staff costs?HFNY said:I'm sure Breckterfield has given him a call.
This is part of a larger problem in that universities became big business once the Federal government got more involved in financing them via tuition subsidies. Universities staffed up while States cut support to better fund their own pension obligations. The Great Recession compounded it all and then fewer international students paying sky-high tuition rates (while crowding out State applicants who pay 1/4 to 1/5 as much) starting with the China about 5 years ago. Covid accelerated the trend for the 2020-2021 and 2021-2022 school years and we are where we are.Tequilla said:
Bingogodawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
Everybody is on a 1 year contract
No payout constraints (which effectively are in place in every other league in the world cap or no cap)
There’s effectively no rules in the sport with any kind of teeth
It’s a complete joke and will be the death of the sport if they don’t fix in relatively short order
All of the above means the College-Industrial complex is voraciously money hungry. It finally received glaring scrutiny from families, the media, influential businessmen, and even *some* politicians. So in this present environment, schools will do whatever it takes to get the money flowing in and that milking college football as much as they can.
My (hopeful) guess is that it continues for another year or two and then after most conferences have renewed their massive TV deals, they will change the rules because what can't go on forever won't.
It's the similar vein of "there's nothing so permanent as a temporary government program". -
This NIL and portal bullshit is only going to benefit shitty coaches who are good salesman who luck their way into a big job like Sark. They’re going to recruit like hell and not worry about any sort of development because they can just pay a naive and ignorant kid from somewhere else who doesn’t need to be coached up anymore.
In about 10 years the only good coaches who grind and make their teams better are going to be FCS or below where coaching will actually matter.
Ok I have to go back and yell at clouds while I shovel some driveways.
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Oh yeah, fuck ZTF if this comes to fruition
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Same source that told us Haener was coming back and that a HC coach from the CFL was coming to be our DC.GaearGrimsrud said:Is there a source on this?
HTH
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So in other words... members of the Wam?MontlakeBridgeTroll said:
Same source that told us Haener was coming back and that a HC coach from the CFL was coming to be our DC.GaearGrimsrud said:Is there a source on this?
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who the fuck is listening to BTP at this point?MontlakeBridgeTroll said:
Same source that told us Haener was coming back and that a HC coach from the CFL was coming to be our DC.GaearGrimsrud said:Is there a source on this?
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Washington head coach bob stoops?WilburHooksHands said:
who the fuck is listening to BTP at this point?MontlakeBridgeTroll said:
Same source that told us Haener was coming back and that a HC coach from the CFL was coming to be our DC.GaearGrimsrud said:Is there a source on this?
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He can't defend the run, and couldn't in 2020.
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I was going to poast some of the doogins about how much better he was than KT. This is gold though, you can’t get this type of career advice anywhere else. Why the families of the players and recruits need to be joined by players and sports agents in reading this board:Tequilla said:
ZTF stands to make substantially more $$$ by staying in school 1 more year, backing up the production to prove it wasn't just a fluke with a few hot games, and be a Top 10 pick next year
It's possible that he could be a 1st rounder this year but who knows what is going to happen with evaluations, the combine, etc. -
He was better than KT in 2020, if you just want to rush the passer.RatherBeBrewing said:I was going to poast some of the doogins about how much better he was than KT. This is gold though, you can’t get this type of career advice anywhere else. Why the families of the players and recruits need to be joined by players and sports agents in reading this board:
Tequilla said:ZTF stands to make substantially more $$$ by staying in school 1 more year, backing up the production to prove it wasn't just a fluke with a few hot games, and be a Top 10 pick next year
It's possible that he could be a 1st rounder this year but who knows what is going to happen with evaluations, the combine, etc.
At least he tore his ACL.
Tibbs tapped out after his money went through and Meat lost to Stanford.
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The portal is truly fucking things up. I don't mind the 5th year senior thing where you try it somewhere else for a year, especially if you're in a lower playing division and one of the bigs gives you a chance.godawgst said:
10 times worse than pro sports. NIL/Transfer portal has created unlimited free agency with no rules and no salary cap.Tequilla said:
It wouldn’t shock me if Texas (which is where he will go) isn’t offering significant 6 figures plus for himDerekJohnson said:
My thought is that if I'm a current UW player, and a key one on the defense, I have witnessed my new coach addressing the team and laying out his vision for the future... and I'm still entering the portal.TXDawg said:
Legit question... With the recruiting landscape becoming much more complicated in the last five years, and players planning on a type of free agency (see Travis Hunter) how much do you think this is a red flag about the coach or an indication of how far back our entire football operations are from the rest of the country? This could be one and the same too, I suppose.DerekJohnson said:like I said, a red flag
I'm not saying I have completely given up on Deboer or anything else, other than to say that this is a red flag.
CFB is in full fledged unregulated waters right now … it’s a complete mess
Eklund on Dawgman talked about 20 guys leaving had JL stayed. When this is all done, we may still have 10 more leave. How much of this is a 1st time P5 coach, bringing in a essential first time P5 staff ?
But while it's an affront to FREEDOM!, the portal really needs to be revisited. -
Everyone kind of forgets in the last game of 2020 Stanford just ran and put a TE on ZTF and he pretty much disappeared. He'd have to come back nuclear to be 6'1 1/2 with an achilles injury and I think another injury in his past to even be considered a first round pick no matter what school he comes back to.
He looks borderline Emptman in 2020 but Dylan Morris also was only rated below a starting NFL QB in the Pac-12 in 2020 so who the fuck knows?
Long story short, he's an enigma until proven otherwise. Following a position coach or DC who seem to be regressing don't seem like the move though. -
Doogles said:
This was the scene that inspired the comment, tyfysminion_doog said:RaceBannon said:at the direction of Karen Ramming who is currently in a Kindergarten class somewhere smearing glue on her face.
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I really don't care if he stays or goes. Let's be honest, he had 3 fantastic games, big fucking deal. He was a backup all through spring and into the fall. I'm ready for a fresh start and anybody that wants to hit the road and not be a part of DeBoner's team knows where the door is
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You can’t live your life fearing injuriesRatherBeBrewing said:I was going to poast some of the doogins about how much better he was than KT. This is gold though, you can’t get this type of career advice anywhere else. Why the families of the players and recruits need to be joined by players and sports agents in reading this board:
Tequilla said:ZTF stands to make substantially more $$$ by staying in school 1 more year, backing up the production to prove it wasn't just a fluke with a few hot games, and be a Top 10 pick next year
It's possible that he could be a 1st rounder this year but who knows what is going to happen with evaluations, the combine, etc.
If ZTF was a 1st rounder after 2020 he would have left
I know reason and logic can be hard -
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A lot of WDWHA in here.
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Bralen Trice. Next man up
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You guys are stupid lol.
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What kind of year do you expect ZTF to have this year?backthepack said:You guys are stupid lol.
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not half as fucking stupid as youbackthepack said:You guys are stupid lol.
