Stupid move by Miami
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I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.46XiJCAB said:This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?
Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?
The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there. -
@creepycoug was right on Meat from the get go. Dude wasn't a total dumpster fire, and ultimately left Oregon better off that where he found it, inspite of the Witty plungering.creepycoug said:
I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.46XiJCAB said:This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?
Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?
The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.
I think if you're a Miamuh fan, this is a pretty solid hire.
Still a lot of headwinds for that program, but I think Mario gets them back into Top 10 territory. -
Meat will make Miami relevant again. Even if they peak at 9 - 10 wins the cupboards will be full for the next big hire if Miami has it in them.
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The media landscape is littered with “football people” questioning what the heck was Oregon doing that didn’t show people what they had in JH. It’s not just an Oregon fan thing.creepycoug said:
I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.46XiJCAB said:This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?
Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?
The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.
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You’re putting a lot of words into peoples mouths that nobody is saying.creepycoug said:
I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.46XiJCAB said:This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?
Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?
The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.
I’ll leave it at that because this has gotten boring as fuck.
You got your guy. Good luck.
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Pro Herbert>College Herbertcreepycoug said:
I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.46XiJCAB said:This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?
Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?
The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.
In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.
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ACC is worse than the Pac 12. Those Clemson teams were great but they had an advantage in that they didn't have to gameplan until the playoffs.BleachedAnusDawg said:Meat will make Miami relevant again. Even if they peak at 9 - 10 wins the cupboards will be full for the next big hire if Miami has it in them.
Mario (he's Mario now since he left Oregon) can dominate that conference as long as he doesn't completely fuck up assistant hires. -
AOG said:
People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.MikeSeaver said:
Chinned.AOG said:Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.
That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons
If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.
The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended!
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YBEBennyBeaver said:AOG said:
People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.MikeSeaver said:
Chinned.AOG said:Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.
That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons
If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.
The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended! -
He's 16-27BennyBeaver said:AOG said:
People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.MikeSeaver said:
Chinned.AOG said:Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.
That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons
If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.
The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended! -
Kind of hard to showcase a QB like Herbert while running the Pistol Offense his RB Coordinator was so enamored with.
Running the QB as an option is limited (kind of need to in the Pistol) when there is no viable backup on the team.
Arroyo leaves. Cristobal hires a terrific OC and guess what, Oregon is still running the Pistol and has a QB that can’t make decisions well nor pass with any accuracy beyond 5 yards.
Morehead couldn’t exit Oregon fast enough.
Mariota played under Chip Kelly’s spread option offense and thrived. He didn’t play under the Fing Pistol with a Head Coach obsessed with winning in a certain way.
The QB that led Oregon to the Rose Bowl victory in 2012 against Wisconsin, Darron Thomas, left Oregon after his junior year with absolutely zero chance of making it in the NFL. He knew the QB the following year was going to be Mariota.
If Oregon had been running a pro style offense with decent personnel, Herbert would have thrived.
Herbert was a 3* recruit coming out of high school (Sheldon, Eugene, OR). He was outstanding in football, basketball and baseball.
He never did any of the football camps or 7 on 7 competitions. He did not graduate early or enroll early.
He showed up in the summer before his freshman year and worked out with the Duck team.
When the latest grad transfer at QB (Dakota Prukop, Montana State, showed up and flopped, who knew the playbook and was ready to be thrown to the Dawgs. True freshman Justin Herbert.
When asked about why he didn’t focus on football, Herbert responded he always thought he could fall back on baseball.
Smart guy, big dick arm and size 6’6”, 235 lbs out of high school.
4.0 in pre-med, before finishing his degree in general science.
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It should be noted Herbert played under 3 different head coaches and 3 different offensive coordinators in his four years at Oregon.
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trublue said:
Kind of hard to showcase a QB like Herbert while running the Pistol Offense his RB Coordinator was so enamored with.
Running the QB as an option is limited (kind of need to in the Pistol) when there is no viable backup on the team.
Arroyo leaves. Cristobal hires a terrific OC and guess what, Oregon is still running the Pistol and has a QB that can’t make decisions well nor pass with any accuracy beyond 5 yards.
Morehead couldn’t exit Oregon fast enough.
Mariota played under Chip Kelly’s spread option offense and thrived. He didn’t play under the Fing Pistol with a Head Coach obsessed with winning in a certain way.
The QB that led Oregon to the Rose Bowl victory in 2012 against Wisconsin, Darron Thomas, left Oregon after his junior year with absolutely zero chance of making it in the NFL. He knew the QB the following year was going to be Mariota.
If Oregon had been running a pro style offense with decent personnel, Herbert would have thrived.
Herbert was a 3* recruit coming out of high school (Sheldon, Eugene, OR). He was outstanding in football, basketball and baseball.
He never did any of the football camps or 7 on 7 competitions. He did not graduate early or enroll early.
He showed up in the summer before his freshman year and worked out with the Duck team.
When the latest grad transfer at QB (Dakota Prukop, Montana State, showed up and flopped, who knew the playbook and was ready to be thrown to the Dawgs. True freshman Justin Herbert.
When asked about why he didn’t focus on football, Herbert responded he always thought he could fall back on baseball.
Smart guy, big dick arm and size 6’6”, 235 lbs out of high school.
4.0 in pre-med, before finishing his degree in general science.
Go away.trublue said:It should be noted Herbert played under 3 different head coaches and 3 different offensive coordinators in his four years at Oregon.
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The post was meant for Creep’s post about Herbert’s time at Oregon.
“Fucking Montana, Man . . .”
FO, Haie.
