Stupid move by Miami

creepycoug

46XiJCAB said:

This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?

Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?

I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.

The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.

In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.

YellowSnow

creepycoug said:

46XiJCAB said:

This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?

Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?

I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.

The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.

In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.

@creepycoug was right on Meat from the get go. Dude wasn't a total dumpster fire, and ultimately left Oregon better off that where he found it, inspite of the Witty plungering.

I think if you're a Miamuh fan, this is a pretty solid hire.

Still a lot of headwinds for that program, but I think Mario gets them back into Top 10 territory.

BleachedAnusDawg

Meat will make Miami relevant again. Even if they peak at 9 - 10 wins the cupboards will be full for the next big hire if Miami has it in them.

46XiJCAB

creepycoug said:

46XiJCAB said:

This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?

Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?

I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.

The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.

In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.

The media landscape is littered with “football people” questioning what the heck was Oregon doing that didn’t show people what they had in JH. It’s not just an Oregon fan thing.

MikeSeaver

creepycoug said:

46XiJCAB said:

This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?

Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?

I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.

The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.

In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.

You’re putting a lot of words into peoples mouths that nobody is saying.

I’ll leave it at that because this has gotten boring as fuck.

You got your guy. Good luck.

We’ll see who was right.

RTD

creepycoug said:

46XiJCAB said:

This year is why fans like myself are not sad to see MC go. Great recruiter, Oregon will never have another one like him but his QB handling is D level stuff. He had two years of JH. When JH was a FR/Soph he was stretching the field. That stopped with MC. He became a game manager with generational arm talent that his HC didn't want to deploy. Who the F does that?

Any HC that looked at AB film from BC and said that's my guy, needs to be questioned. This year should have been taking your lumps with TT and getting ready for 2022. So you don't win 10 games and get to the F'n alamo bowl. Where's the loss?

I'll say it again: we? are all remembering Oregon Herbert a little more fondly than the reality would justify. If need be, I'll make like Grumble and go back in the time machine and find all the Duck (and Dwag) posters shitting on Herbert for inaccuracy and lacking leadership qualities. If you were talking about a coach reducing Mariota's role in the offense, then you'd have a point.

The other thing you and others are misremembering is the decision-making around not running Herbert during the balance of 2019 after the shoulder injury the previous season. The view by many then was that they added the Herbert run when needed against Utah and again against Wisconsin. A lot of people thought it was smart to not run the kid all season long. He's a big target and takes big hits.

In all seriousness, I'm not going to defend MC's coaching decisions point by point. There's no question the guy is a work in progress; but it appears to me that you and your friends are glossing over what he brought to the table besides recruiting. Maybe you'll get somebody better, but the guy won you a Rose Bowl, beat Washington 3x, and added a program-significant season victory. From the dumpster fire that he walked into - a program in complete shambles - I'd say he did well there.

Pro Herbert>College Herbert

haie

BleachedAnusDawg said:

Meat will make Miami relevant again. Even if they peak at 9 - 10 wins the cupboards will be full for the next big hire if Miami has it in them.

ACC is worse than the Pac 12. Those Clemson teams were great but they had an advantage in that they didn't have to gameplan until the playoffs.

Mario (he's Mario now since he left Oregon) can dominate that conference as long as he doesn't completely fuck up assistant hires.

BennyBeaver

AOG said:

MikeSeaver said:

AOG said:

Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.

That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons

Chinned.

If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.

People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.

The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended!

haie

BennyBeaver said:

AOG said:

MikeSeaver said:

AOG said:

Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.

That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons

Chinned.

If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.

People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.

The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended!

YBE

AOG

BennyBeaver said:

AOG said:

MikeSeaver said:

AOG said:

Both the fired coach and the new one appear about the same. The real reason Crystall-Balls was hired: he an ALUM.

That's right, the reason for this is the hire-the-alum fallacy, that somehow an alum will improve the situation. This is even dumber than hiring the assistant with no HC experience. I predict fired in two seasons

Chinned.

If he wasn’t an alumni they wouldnt even know his name.

People think that being an alumnus* (see below) bestows magical properties on the coach. It goes on all the time. WSU had Wulff. Remember that fuck up? Neuheisel at UCLA, Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. Don't get me started.

The best example right now is Frost. Despite being a hopeless failure they extended!

He's 16-27