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There's that tooBleachedAnusDawg said:
Depends on metric. Total points, sure, barely, because Oregon always took bigger classes. On a per player basis, UW's were higher rated. So, yes, UW can outrecruit Nike U. It's been done very recently.MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish... -
The point was I’m not going to argue weather or not Rick Neuweasel (lmfao) hates you. You can work that out for yourself with the other hooricanes.creepycoug said:
We have established that you don't care either way Mike. Really, I got it. I don't really care either. I took a six month walk on the beach here recently. You no longer control the market on perspective.MikeSeaver said:
Saying someone hates us is kind of the definition of ooging…creepycoug said:
Yes, I'm sure Rick N. really wants that. I'm just sure of it. Just my opinion, which is no more important than anyone else'.MikeSeaver said:
At the end of the discussion he said “We all want to see Miami back on top, it’s good for college football.”creepycoug said:
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.MikeSeaver said:
I wish I could chin this 45 timesdnc said:
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
But also I really don’t care either way. He gone.
Thoughts and prayers.
Just my own, humble and relatively unimportant, opinion.
As noted, he wasn’t the only one saying these things on the radio broadcast. If anything it was the main host leading the way and Rick agreeing. -
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@1to392831weretaken , classy as fuck as always.1to392831weretaken said:HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
I want to add that Wilcox can have a mediocre HC record and have the potential to be good elsewhere at the same time. Not mutually exclusive imo. If you disagree, that's fine. If you look at his stats and think they will carry onwards in his career, yeah, sure, not as bullish. I like to look at the grey area as well. This is just stupid banter, not a serious hardliner conviction. The way I see it, Cox has worked at Boise, Cal, Tennessee, UW, USC, Wisconsin, and Cal again. He comes from/has built quite a coaching tree and he's getting jobs for a reason. He's just under .500 as a first time HC at Cal, been hamstrung for a few years now, and he's 45 years old, younger than DeBoer. I don't think we can close the book on young Justin quite yet. I am more bullish on his prospects at Oregon vs some here and that's cool. He's not the best they can do but I don't think he's the worst. Gut feeling, nothing more.
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Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
Pitt fans have been getting plungered on and off the field since the Marino era. They're rather relatable, hope our offense can score like theirs next year.creepycoug said:
We all want to see Pittsburg back on top. It's good for college football.haie said:
Don't follow the other conferences much but I saw Pitt and Wake in the ACC championship game? Holy shit. Clemson was down down and just lost their DC.creepycoug said:
Rick N., whom I've always liked btw, is a notorious Miami hater because his ass is still sore from 2001. I don't know about the other guy and DC.MikeSeaver said:
I wish I could chin this 45 timesdnc said:
Took the twins to school today and Neuheisel and whomever the main host is on ESPNU both said they can’t understand why Miami wants this guy and Oregon shouldn’t pay him anywhere near 8 p/year. “They don’t need him.”
TL,DR: He sucks. Like we’ve been saying.
I like the hire. He'll do well there IMO, which of course is not more important than anybody else's. I am, if nothing else, a man of the people and know my place.
He's not going to fail there.
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Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
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Lol @ the Magnum flexdnc said: -
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over. UW ended 16 3 years in a row.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
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You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
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Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
His last year Oregon finished 27 nationally and 5th in the pac 12. UW was 29th and 6th.dnc said:
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
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I was looking at this.MikeDamone said:
His last year Oregon finished 27 nationally and 5th in the pac 12. UW was 29th and 6th.dnc said:
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. The differences between 247 and composite aren't stark enough to make any huge difference.
We'll go with your metric. Bottom line doesn't change anything I said. If 27th is Oregon recruiting itself I'm just fine with Oregon recruiting itself.
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I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
Helfrich’s last year was their floor. Which was higher than UWs floor. Expect the trend to continue. A dumbass on his last legs out recruited UW. It’s the Nike factor.dnc said:
I was looking at this.MikeDamone said:
His last year Oregon finished 27 nationally and 5th in the pac 12. UW was 29th and 6th.dnc said:
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. The differences between 247 and composite aren't stark enough to make any huge difference.
We'll go with your metric. Bottom line doesn't change anything I said. If 27th is Oregon recruiting itself I'm just fine with Oregon recruiting itself. -
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I notice that you are ignoring the fact that, per player, UW was getting higher rated recruits than Oregon.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
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JFC A bunch of fucking doogs around here. If you look at it just right in a certain angle, UW out recruited Oregon.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I notice that you are ignoring the fact that, per player, UW was getting higher rated recruits than Oregon.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
Sensitive. And incorrectly reading into things. Solid take though.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
You had no point. So fuck off.LawDawg1 said:
Sensitive. And incorrectly reading into things. Solid take though.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
Since when was that ever required hear?MikeDamone said:
You had no point. So fuck off.LawDawg1 said:
Sensitive. And incorrectly reading into things. Solid take though.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
If all were arguing is that their recruiting floor is higher than ours then I agree with you.MikeDamone said:
Helfrich’s last year was their floor. Which was higher than UWs floor. Expect the trend to continue. A dumbass on his last legs out recruited UW. It’s the Nike factor.dnc said:
I was looking at this.MikeDamone said:
His last year Oregon finished 27 nationally and 5th in the pac 12. UW was 29th and 6th.dnc said:
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
Also
I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. The differences between 247 and composite aren't stark enough to make any huge difference.
We'll go with your metric. Bottom line doesn't change anything I said. If 27th is Oregon recruiting itself I'm just fine with Oregon recruiting itself.
I just don’t think that’s especially important.
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Man for man, UW outrecruited UO, but that's only just right in a certain angle. Keep digging.MikeDamone said:
JFC A bunch of fucking doogs around here. If you look at it just right in a certain angle, UW out recruited Oregon.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I notice that you are ignoring the fact that, per player, UW was getting higher rated recruits than Oregon.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16 -
@MikeDamone is imploding. I half expect to see a "Stalin please ban me" meltdown post later this week.
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I'm not going to disagree with you on the greater Oregon point Mike. But Crisco's recruiting chops were well documented for even @GrandpaSankey to see well before he landed in YouGene. In fact, I'd say relative to what he was able to do at Rutgers, he actually underperformed at Oregon based in part on the point you're making.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
In addition to Nike, which is an indisputable advantage (and one that doogs curiously describe as if it were somehow immoral), I think the Chip years helped put them out there as a name. And we all know that guy was a lazy ass recruiter. -
May I humbly ask, acknowledging that my opinion is no more important than anyone else's, what this matters? Oregon just lost their coach and is stumbling into a who cares? bowl while Washington just wasted millions of dollars and two plus years of time (and recruiting cycles) on perhaps the worst coaching hire in the Pac 12 over the last, IDK, call it ... 10 years?BleachedAnusDawg said:
Man for man, UW outrecruited UO, but that's only just right in a certain angle. Keep digging.MikeDamone said:
JFC A bunch of fucking doogs around here. If you look at it just right in a certain angle, UW out recruited Oregon.BleachedAnusDawg said:
I notice that you are ignoring the fact that, per player, UW was getting higher rated recruits than Oregon.MikeDamone said:
I never said that dipshit. Petersen recruited well. But Oregon out recruited him consistently and that’s due to Nike. Oregon had inferior coaches. How the fuck is this so hard for you dumb fucks to understand? Whoever Oregon gets, he will magically be a “great recruiter”.LawDawg1 said:
Yeah but our recruits sucked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Comparing who had a better small run in the P12 over the last 5 to 7 years is like two midgets arguing over height. -
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