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Mario to Miami confirmed
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Now that's humor damnit!Bad_MotherDucker said:Winnar of Twitter
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Racist!Bad_MotherDucker said:Winnar of Twitter
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I got a lot more respect for Crisco now. I honestly thought he would be scared of taking the Miami job over sitting in Eugene with Phil and Nike, facilities and a Pac-12 full of charity cases and making really good money. Miami has a way higher ceiling than Oregon to me but a way lower floor for where he is right now. With his commitment to recruiting and if Clemson keeps slipping he could do big things there.
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I hope he wins a national championship.WoolleyDoog said:I got a lot more respect for Crisco now. I honestly thought he would be scared of taking the Miami job over sitting in Eugene with Phil and Nike, facilities and a Pac-12 full of charity cases and making really good money. Miami has a way higher ceiling than Oregon to me but a way lower floor for where he is right now. With his commitment to recruiting and if Clemson keeps slipping he could do big things there.
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WoolleyDoog said:
I got a lot more respect for Crisco now. I honestly thought he would be scared of taking the Miami job over sitting in Eugene with Phil and Nike, facilities and a Pac-12 full of charity cases and making really good money. Miami has a way higher ceiling than Oregon to me but a way lower floor for where he is right now. With his commitment to recruiting and if Clemson keeps slipping he could do big things there.
That said, I hope he loses every game there.
Doogman 2.foreverTheHB said:
I hope he wins a national championship.WoolleyDoog said:I got a lot more respect for Crisco now. I honestly thought he would be scared of taking the Miami job over sitting in Eugene with Phil and Nike, facilities and a Pac-12 full of charity cases and making really good money. Miami has a way higher ceiling than Oregon to me but a way lower floor for where he is right now. With his commitment to recruiting and if Clemson keeps slipping he could do big things there.
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I wish I had never gotten involved in this argument. Why the fuck am I getting notifications for this fuckery?
UW's and Oregon's classes weren't significantly different in the few years prior to Crystoballz. Both places are pretty easy to recruit top 25ish classes to. Anything between about 15-25 or 20-30 is similar enough that it's not worth arguing over who was better until you see on field results.
Crysto upped their recruiting game to the point of flirting with the top 5. Breaching the top 10 is a pretty big leap from the 15-20 range. Pretty much any power 5 team with a pulse can recruit their way into the top 20 with a little effort and luck.. Getting into the top 5 is altogether different. Your going up against teams that rarely take guys under a 90 rating and are getting significant numbers of guys in the upper 90s.
A lot of bullshit just to say that Damone is partly right. Oregon recruits itself to at least some acceptable floor in the top 30. Jimmy Lake might not even be able to go below that floor there. Top 30 is good enough to win the Pac 12 and lose to the big boys.
Where I think we disagree is that top 5-10 is light years different than top 20, and Crysto was an exception in that he seemed to have them there. 81% they're going to fall off from that pretty sharply. -
My point is people say Cristoball is an extraordinary recruiter and he’s a big loss. My argument is who come in enjoys the built in Oregon bump (oregon recruits itself) and will be fine. Cristoballs may not be the God of Recruiting he has been made out to be. I only used Petersen vs Helfrich (good coach vs functional retard) to illustrate that fact. Helfrich no way beats Petersen at without the Oregon bump.dnc said:
If all were arguing is that their recruiting floor is higher than ours then I agree with you.MikeDamone said:
Helfrich’s last year was their floor. Which was higher than UWs floor. Expect the trend to continue. A dumbass on his last legs out recruited UW. It’s the Nike factor.dnc said:
I was looking at this.MikeDamone said:
His last year Oregon finished 27 nationally and 5th in the pac 12. UW was 29th and 6th.dnc said:
You're looking at composite. When I posted composite rankings (Oregon finished 7th in Helfrich's last year) earlier you counted with 247 (Helfrich finished 5th his last year).MikeDamone said:
Might want to check the final rankings vs before recruiting is over.dnc said:
Facts checked.MikeDamone said:
Umm… check the facts. Per 247. Maybe you were looking at softball. https://247sports.com/college/washington/Season/2019-Football/Commits/dnc said:
This isn't true though. Per 247 (your site of choice earlier in this thread)MikeDamone said:
Petersens later classes were ranked better than his first 3, but still not as good as Oregon’s. Bottom line is Oregon had higher ranked recruiting classes during the Petersen era regardless who there coach was at Oregon. Which is MY FUCKING POINT. Oregon has a built in recruiting advantage with Nike/PK. This speaks nothing to the fact that a good coach can overcome this with better player development and coaching.1to392831weretaken said:
And I would argue that you're wrong. I predict that year one of NIL will have taught some marketing/branding firms a good lesson, and we'll quickly stop seeing million dollar deals for two-handoff quarterbacks. With that gone, NIL will become exactly what I predicted: The same system as before, only legal, tax deductible, and injected with serious amounts of rhino cum. NIL equaling a level playing field is the same kind of Randian fantasy as me having the same access to a Koenigsegg Jesko as Bill Gates. I mean, both of us are allowed to buy one, right?HuskyJW said:I would argue NIL levels the playing field
Just using the example of our little plucky neighbor to the south, when you have an "owner" willing to part with millions to win, you can do things like build an expensive house for players to "rent out" or other such nonsense that used to all happen under the table. WSU's allowed to do the same thing now, but can they?
I would argue this is exactly the case. I remember Cal's stadium packed and rockin' as Lynch drove the training cart around the field. As I kid, I remember Cal always being a legit contender. The COVID excuses seem lame, but they are true. And I'm no defender of Wilcox, being first (and right) to say he was a mediocre at best DC here when everyone else seems to blow him for his three-consecutive-blowouts-every-season performance.chuck said:...Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then...
As for the Great @MikeDamone @chuck War of 2021, I see it both ways: Oregon sells itself more than Warshington right now. Having somebody at Oregon who actually gives a shit about recruiting also matters. The end. I can't remember who all was involved at this point, but it seems like some posters are arguing against Damone's demonstrable three-year recruiting advantage over Petersen by pointing to results on the field/in the draft with those respective players, then others are arguing that Petersen's later classes were better, even though the results on the field for those players tilt way toward Oregon.
As for @CallMeBigErn, weirdly hostile for just having an opinion that's clearly shared by many people in the biz of college football. I disagree, Wilcox is shit, but I think Ern's probably right for the wrong reason: We're all forgetting that this is all just a simulation to cause UW fans pain. 26 pages of laughing at misfortune later, and we all forget that no matter who Oregon hires, he's going to buttfuck UW anyway, whether it makes sense or not, because that's how the world seems to work lately. Besides, at least a dozen pages of piling on and calling a guy a doog in a 26 page schadenfreude thread about Oregon losing their coach seems awfully ironic. A bit little-brotherish...
2018: UW 13th nationally, Oregon 17th
2019: Oregon 9th, UW 10th
2020: UW 12th, Oregon 17th
Three year average: Oregon 14.3, UW 11.6
2017. UO 19 UW 22
2018. UO 13 UW 16
2019. UO 7 UW 16
2020. UO 11 UW 16
Your move.
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I know you have been around. Just intuitively does UW out recruiting Oregon pass the sniff test? It doesn’t because it didn’t happen
Your move.
Pick a lane.
Whatever, it doesn't matter. The differences between 247 and composite aren't stark enough to make any huge difference.
We'll go with your metric. Bottom line doesn't change anything I said. If 27th is Oregon recruiting itself I'm just fine with Oregon recruiting itself.
I just don’t think that’s especially important.
You said earlier their floor is higher than our ceiling which is simply not true.
But for some reason you retards wanted to start in on NFL players and other shit like “individual star ratings” to try to frame it that UW has out recruited Oregon for the past 8 years. JFC.
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EMFA fagGreenRiverGatorz said:@MikeDamone is imploding. I half expect to see a "Stalin please ban me" meltdown post later this week.
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I hate to admit it but fuck, if Oregon doesn't out recruit UW every year their AD and entire coaching staff should be pink-slipped on the spot. This is Nike U, right? It should be landing top 10 classes in its sleep. To bad Phil is old and without his undying support, the seas look a bit choppier than usual.
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stole all this from another bored, zfg.
