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@creepycoug and I have talked about this a lot over the years. But we all know his winning the wrong way convicts would have plungered Stoops in the Orange Bowl that year.
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It should have been UW v Oklahoma
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We would have won too.RaceBannon said:It should have been UW v Oklahoma
Fuck it. I’m claiming 2000 too -
I was thinking about the rankings that year. Miami beat FSU but FSU played in the BCS natty game?
And yeah, I thought at the time that Oklahoma would’ve been a favorable matchup for UW. -
It's the Washington way.YellowSnow said:
We would have won too.RaceBannon said:It should have been UW v Oklahoma
Fuck it. I’m claiming 2000 too -
UW beat Miami who beat FSUCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I was thinking about the rankings that year. Miami beat FSU but FSU played in the BCS natty game?
And yeah, I thought at the time that Oklahoma would’ve been a favorable matchup for UW.
FSU was the worst choice of the three
UW was not overwhelming anyone that year but they beat two top 5 teams. A regular Purdue who they also beat in the consolation Rose Bowl.
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At the end of the season, there wasn't a better team in the country than the Canes.
With that said, I miss the arguments about who should be in what bowl. It made it all much more interesting.
I would have liked Washington's chances against the Sooners; but I can virtually guarantee Miami would have beaten them soundly. -
The boovs were great by the end of the year too.creepycoug said:At the end of the season, there wasn't a better team in the country than the Canes.
With that said, I miss the arguments about who should be in what bowl. It made it all much more interesting.
I would have liked Washington's chances against the Sooners; but I can virtually guarantee Miami would have beaten them soundly. -
As the people in charge of killing college football decide how many teams to expand the playoff to we once again find ourselves wondering if there will be 4 teams this year worthy of the honorcreepycoug said:At the end of the season, there wasn't a better team in the country than the Canes.
With that said, I miss the arguments about who should be in what bowl. It made it all much more interesting.
I would have liked Washington's chances against the Sooners; but I can virtually guarantee Miami would have beaten them soundly.
The plus one after the bowls makes so much damn sense that it will never happen
It would restore the magic of the game and make it different from the NFL.
Saw this morning a very good point - with a 12 or 8 team playoff the Ohio State Michigan State game would be meaningless. Like most NFL games
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Also always hard to bet against Tui.RaceBannon said:
UW beat Miami who beat FSUCFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I was thinking about the rankings that year. Miami beat FSU but FSU played in the BCS natty game?
And yeah, I thought at the time that Oklahoma would’ve been a favorable matchup for UW.
FSU was the worst choice of the three
UW was not overwhelming anyone that year but they beat two top 5 teams. A regular Purdue who they also beat in the consolation Rose Bowl.
Oklahoma had a stingy D as I recall. But that Orange Bowl was boring af to watch. I think if Snoop Minnis doesn't miss that game on account of a lack of academis prowess FSU probably wins. He was far and away Weinkedinkie's favorite target that season. -
That's true. They were. Their matchup with ND that year did them no favors, as I recall nobody thought ND belonged in the Fiesta.AtomicDawg said:
The boovs were great by the end of the year too.creepycoug said:At the end of the season, there wasn't a better team in the country than the Canes.
With that said, I miss the arguments about who should be in what bowl. It made it all much more interesting.
I would have liked Washington's chances against the Sooners; but I can virtually guarantee Miami would have beaten them soundly. -
ND proves each year they don't ever belong in a major bowel game
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I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami. -
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami. -
The Hurricane way.creepycoug said:At the end of the season, there wasn't a better team in the country than the Canes.
With that said, I miss the arguments about who should be in what bowl. It made it all much more interesting.
I would have liked Washington's chances against the Sooners; but I can virtually guarantee Miami would have beaten them soundly.
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No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
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You're good when you are as famous for the losses as the wins. Need a lot of winsYellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
Jack Nicklaus finished 2nd in 19 majors. What a choke artist. Wait, he won 18 -
The boovs were Miami of the west that year. I think this would have been the best matchup of that bowl season by a wide margin provided it didn't turn into a full on brawl on the field.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami. -
If @creepycoug had just renovated the Orange Bowl, I would have let him onto Mt Rushmore.RaceBannon said:
You're good when you are as famous for the losses as the wins. Need a lot of winsYellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
Jack Nicklaus finished 2nd in 19 majors. What a choke artist. Wait, he won 18
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The brawl would have made it the best matchup of that bowl season.chuck said:
The boovs were Miami of the west that year. I think this would have been the best matchup of that bowl season by a wide margin provided it didn't turn into a full on brawl on the field.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
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chuck said:
The boovs were Miami of the west that year. I think this would have been the best matchup of that bowl season by a wide margin provided it didn't turn into a full on brawl on the field.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
Notre Dame, 155 yards of offense
Oregon State, 174 yards in penalties
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They have left them on the table indeed. 1986 Penn State still, by far, the most painful. No other is close. Buck PI call was terrible, and I hate whenever the refs insert themselves as a deciding factor in any game really, but Buck was good and up to the task and I've learned to live with it. The '86 fiasco was criminal. Penn State was truly vastly inferior. 7 turnovers, 5 unforced by one guy, and still had a chance to win. Jimmy fucked that one up badly. A big red mark on his career.YellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami. -
Losing at Notre Dame hurt me. Catholics V Convictscreepycoug said:
They have left them on the table indeed. 1986 Penn State still, by far, the most painful. No other is close. Buck PI call was terrible, and I hate whenever the refs insert themselves as a deciding factor in any game really, but Buck was good an up to the task and I've learned to live with it. The '86 fiasco was criminal. Penn State was truly vastly inferior. 7 turnovers, 5 unforced by one guy, and still had a chance to win. Jimmy fucked that one up badly. A big red mark on his career.YellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
I had the Convicts
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I'd rather watch a football game first. The brawl would be fine as an encode. I doubt OSU had the depth to win a fight but they were scrappy.EwaDawg said:
The brawl would have made it the best matchup of that bowl season.chuck said:
The boovs were Miami of the west that year. I think this would have been the best matchup of that bowl season by a wide margin provided it didn't turn into a full on brawl on the field.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
HTH -
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Plus Dennis coaching against his old team.EwaDawg said:
The brawl would have made it the best matchup of that bowl season.chuck said:
The boovs were Miami of the west that year. I think this would have been the best matchup of that bowl season by a wide margin provided it didn't turn into a full on brawl on the field.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
HTH
Man, Denny was good at producing quick results. He just had no staying power. After about 3 years or so, his vices started to rub off on his teams. -
The Cleveland Gary non-fumble fumble was worse than the Bucks PI call. I'm at peace with the Holtz ND era though. Close games at South Bend, and bend-over games in the Orange Bowl, including 3rd and 43.RaceBannon said:
Losing at Notre Dame hurt me. Catholics V Convictscreepycoug said:
They have left them on the table indeed. 1986 Penn State still, by far, the most painful. No other is close. Buck PI call was terrible, and I hate whenever the refs insert themselves as a deciding factor in any game really, but Buck was good an up to the task and I've learned to live with it. The '86 fiasco was criminal. Penn State was truly vastly inferior. 7 turnovers, 5 unforced by one guy, and still had a chance to win. Jimmy fucked that one up badly. A big red mark on his career.YellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
I had the Convicts
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The Catholics vs Convicts games in the late 80s are what made me fall in love with college football.
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Let me tell you: the hate was real, and it was spectacular.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:The Catholics vs Convicts games in the late 80s are what made me fall in love with college football.
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Since no one else is going to ever challenge you on your Miami posts, I'll just throw out that while the Cleveland Gary non-fumble was awful, the Andre Brown touchdown "catch" is arguably worse.creepycoug said:
The Cleveland Gary non-fumble fumble was worse than the Bucks PI call. I'm at peace with the Holtz ND era though. Close games at South Bend, and bend-over games in the Orange Bowl, including 3rd and 43.RaceBannon said:
Losing at Notre Dame hurt me. Catholics V Convictscreepycoug said:
They have left them on the table indeed. 1986 Penn State still, by far, the most painful. No other is close. Buck PI call was terrible, and I hate whenever the refs insert themselves as a deciding factor in any game really, but Buck was good an up to the task and I've learned to live with it. The '86 fiasco was criminal. Penn State was truly vastly inferior. 7 turnovers, 5 unforced by one guy, and still had a chance to win. Jimmy fucked that one up badly. A big red mark on his career.YellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
I had the Convicts
You just fucking could not lose that game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80lTRWFmt4o
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I'll chin it just because you know what you're talking about, but no to agreeing to a cancel out, and surely not worse. It's hard to see how much control he had or didn't have with that non-HD footage, from a mile away, and lack of focus. He clearly catches it, rolls over and the ball falls out/ was on its way out. Hard to say how much control he had before the ball is no longer secured.Gladstone said:
Since no one else is going to ever challenge you on your Miami posts, I'll just throw out that while the Cleveland Gary non-fumble was awful, the Andre Brown touchdown "catch" is arguably worse.creepycoug said:
The Cleveland Gary non-fumble fumble was worse than the Bucks PI call. I'm at peace with the Holtz ND era though. Close games at South Bend, and bend-over games in the Orange Bowl, including 3rd and 43.RaceBannon said:
Losing at Notre Dame hurt me. Catholics V Convictscreepycoug said:
They have left them on the table indeed. 1986 Penn State still, by far, the most painful. No other is close. Buck PI call was terrible, and I hate whenever the refs insert themselves as a deciding factor in any game really, but Buck was good an up to the task and I've learned to live with it. The '86 fiasco was criminal. Penn State was truly vastly inferior. 7 turnovers, 5 unforced by one guy, and still had a chance to win. Jimmy fucked that one up badly. A big red mark on his career.YellowSnow said:
No team leaves natties on the table like Miamuh and they still have way more than 3 of out 4 on Mt Rushmore in my lifetime.creepycoug said:
Still can't remember the rationale. That said, I remember not being a loud voice for Miami that year because, like @RaceBannon , I have consistently held to the view that head to head has to matter. Yeah, Miami had the better argument over FSU, and UW had the better argument over Miami. What made it a real bitch was that both head to heads - Miami / UW and Miami / FSU were close games. It was a wonderful clusterfuck and Race and some of the other old timers here and I had a great time jawboning about it 21 years ago. I'm good with the way it used to work and don't really GAF that Oklahoma got a slightly discounted natty. I mean, the fuck ... playing any FSU team back in those days was no picnic for anyone, and that's who they drew, they won, end of discussion. It's a fun historical footnote.CFetters_Nacho_Lover said:I would’ve loved to see Oregon St vs Miami in a bowl game that year.
It still boggles my mind that FSU made the natty over UW or Miami.
I had the Convicts
You just fucking could not lose that gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80lTRWFmt4o
Let's go ahead and say they cancel each other out and ND won '88 legitimately. You'll always have 3rd and 43 though.
The Gary fumble-not-fumble happened out in the wide open spaces for @GrandpaSankey to see and there is zero debate about what caused the fumble (the ground). I believe the officials owned up to it after the game. Or maybe that's urban legend I choose to believe.
But I'll let it go and say '88 was fine enough, and the 3rd and 43 is more than enough salve on the wound.
