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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,196
    AtomicDawg said:

    thechatch said:



    LMAO

    Pay
    That
    Man
    His
    Money
    I heard there was a large Bitcoin donation that was agreed to saving the AD some of their cash reserves. Don’t under estimate the importance of donation from an anonymous booster.
    Post of the year
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    This
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    AtomicDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    No. But you didn’t have to be an expert to know that was a dumb idea to hire jondon. A simple google search shows that it was a stupid idea.

    The contract terms and understanding of leverage shows her lack of intelligence related to Jondon
    If I was the AD and the JonDon hire crosses my desk, I’m going to ask some high level questions regarding background and why this is the right person

    I’m not going to stand in the way because part of my job as a leader is to give people the opportunity and resources to be successful

    But I’m also going to take note that if the hire goes south that instead of having confidence in the next hire being right that it’s much more likely an indication of having the wrong person
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    No. But you didn’t have to be an expert to know that was a dumb idea to hire jondon. A simple google search shows that it was a stupid idea.

    The contract terms and understanding of leverage shows her lack of intelligence related to Jondon
    If I was the AD and the JonDon hire crosses my desk, I’m going to ask some high level questions regarding background and why this is the right person

    I’m not going to stand in the way because part of my job as a leader is to give people the opportunity and resources to be successful

    But I’m also going to take note that if the hire goes south that instead of having confidence in the next hire being right that it’s much more likely an indication of having the wrong person
    Then you would be in the exact same position Jen is in now. Not good. 3 years at 800k plus per is so laughable. Jimmy’s buyout is stupid. She is so far over her head. I understand the notion of getting out the way, but this was red flag that puts your job on the line too.
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    HoustonHusky said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If you are hiring a completely green brand new coach having a clueless AD is an extremely dangerous thing…I bet she had no clue recruiting was in the shitter until some boosters told her so. If Poolboy was there do you really think he would have let Jimmy hire Donovan…esp on that contract…or let recruiting crater for 2 years before stepping in and getting more resources or something to help? Don’t kid yourself and try and rationalize that away…Jimmy may have been and who knows maybe one day will be a good head coach…and he would have had a much better chance of success if he had a competent AD supporting him. But on his own (which he was with this Athletic Department) it was obvious he didn’t have a clue how to organize/run a football program.

    Everything has its pluses and minuses…for an experienced coach set in his ways (Peterson for example) having a cluelessly supportive AD is probably a wonderful thing. For a lazy brand-new coach it was a recipe for disaster.
    But that’s a completely different argument … which I agree with

    The big problem is that Jen lacks almost all of the skills necessary to be a good leader of people

    If you had a legit hiring process part of the deal is asking about what kind of staff the candidate would hire, etc

    Instead Jen just went along with the ride and defaulted to Jimmy …

    The time for Jen to have interjected was BEFORE JonDon’s name ever got to her desk … it would have been before noting that as a 1st time coach with a defensive emphasis that he would likely benefit greatly from an experienced offensive coach that could own that side of the ball

    Instead, as we all know, Jimmy went out of his way to surround himself with yes people and effectively pushed out the most influential and powerful voice on staff in Kwiatkowski

    It’s why giving Jimmy the slack to fire people and survive was never a palpable path forward for me
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    edited November 2021
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    AtomicDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    AtomicDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    No. But you didn’t have to be an expert to know that was a dumb idea to hire jondon. A simple google search shows that it was a stupid idea.

    The contract terms and understanding of leverage shows her lack of intelligence related to Jondon
    If I was the AD and the JonDon hire crosses my desk, I’m going to ask some high level questions regarding background and why this is the right person

    I’m not going to stand in the way because part of my job as a leader is to give people the opportunity and resources to be successful

    But I’m also going to take note that if the hire goes south that instead of having confidence in the next hire being right that it’s much more likely an indication of having the wrong person
    Then you would be in the exact same position Jen is in now. Not good. 3 years at 800k plus per is so laughable. Jimmy’s buyout is stupid. She is so far over her head. I understand the notion of getting out the way, but this was red flag that puts your job on the line too.
    What reason does Jen have to care though about her fate?

    If she gets fired she collects her contract just like Jimmy

    If she’s of the mindset that she’s likely retiring at the end of her contract in 2024 then it’s even less of a long term concern for her

    Jen likes to talk about being a steward … but she’s always been as much about expanding her brand, reputation and ego as she has been about UW and the student athletes. Jen is in the business of Jen … period
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  • AtomicDawg
    AtomicDawg Member Posts: 7,331
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    #management
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,717 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Shut up.

    You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,717 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    Go sell my product bitch.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,209 Standard Supporter
    Not many high level football coaches are going to agree to the AD having final say in how they fill out their staff. That's a great way to scare off anyone who is remotely qualified.

    CEO's ask what their budget is and they fill out their team how they see fit within that budget.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,717 Founders Club
    Tequilla said:

    haie said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Shut up.

    You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
    I know way more than you think

    If you’re having to do what DJ is thinking should have done … it’s a bad strategy long term

    What that is saying is that you hired the wrong person to start with

    The JonDon hire isn’t about JonDon … it was about Jimmy

    The JonDon hire, the firings of your recruiting/support staff, pushing out K … all of that shows that Jimmy was clueless at the job of being a head coach

    If you’re going to be Jimmy’s boss and tell him he can’t make a hire … you might as well fire him right then and there

    That’s the point

    Long term.

    Shut the fuck up.

    No one even remembers UW prison fucking Meat in 2017.

    Long term means nothing.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,717 Founders Club
    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Making a hire that could crater an entire season = micromanaging

    Sure buddy
    Dude pretends like he's had to manage anyone, let alone a white collar employee.

    😂👍
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  • backthepack
    backthepack Member Posts: 19,937
    haie said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Shut up.

    You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
    His TCU MBA in business administration says otherwise pal!
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,717 Founders Club
    edited November 2021
    backthepack said:

    haie said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    Tequilla said:

    HoustonHusky said:

    Jen had a no-brainer hire of Eric Musselman and instead hires a guy who couldn’t take over for a coach who pees himself. She hired Jimmy without having any knowledge/oversite in making him successful…the John Donovan hire should never have happened because any competent AD would have put a stop to it.

    The idea of her hiring anyone should frighten everyone.

    So Jen’s supposed to be the expert on OC hires?

    It was a questionable at best hire at the time and the disaster it turned out to be was a contributing factor in Jimmy getting rightfully fired

    But having an AD overtly micro manage hiring decisions by her directs … that’s not how things work

    I’m plenty critical of Jen but not in this regard … that’s 1000% on Jimmy
    If an AD sees her staff member making a colossal mistake, you intervene. This is not difficult.
    Intervene how?
    Jesus Christ Teq.
    It’s a simple question

    I’m asking you to clarify as to not jump to conclusions

    If I’m jumping to conclusions I’d expect you to say that if you were the AD you would have blocked and not signed off on the hire

    If I'm running a business, and I see an employee making a terrible decision, I intervene.
    So you’re going to micro manage your employees

    It’s an approach
    Shut up.

    You don't know shit on the subject so piss off.
    His TCU MBA in business administration says otherwise pal!
    He's an analyst that is secluded from the non post grads.

    There's a value in that too. Obviously.

    But like elite developers and all sorts of people he hangs around with, you can't make personnel decisions off of that.
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