I hope Brostek redshirts
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He had really good numbers at the combine, iirc. Why is he not a stud given his pedigree? Is it all Sark's fault?
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Because now he has less time to be a beast and learn how to fucking play from Petersen, dudeHeretoBeatmyChest said:He had really good numbers at the combine, iirc. Why is he not a stud given his pedigree? Is it all Sark's fault?
Sark played lots of potential beasts before they were ready for the physicality of Pac-12 football. Porter, and to a lesser extent Kohler, come to mind. With a redshirt, they get to play big boy D1 football at a year older than most of the competition. Makes a big difference for people aged 18-23 years old.
Most competent coaches make an effort on redshirting and making sure at least some JC talent gets in. Sark.... not so much. -
Brostek is a stud and did well playing as a true freshman (minus the pass-blocking).
However, the physicality, speed and technical aspects of the college game are much, much harder than high school, and the position has the highest learning curve of any position besides QB. All OL should be redshirted in their first year because they need time to build up their strength and speed and even more time to learn how to read defenses and pass-block correctly. Sure, if they're big enough, they can do well at run-blocking but they're going to get blown away in pass-protection because defenses are more sophisticated and players are that much better. If you want two recent examples of this, look no further than UW in 2011 (Porter started at RG, Kohler at RT) or UCLA in 2013 (3 true-freshman OL starting, Hundley sacked 3 times per game).
Redshirting Brostek now is a bit of a waste in the fact that he has had time to adjust to the physicality and speed of the game now. However, it makes sense considering a number of other factors. Sark moved Brostek from OL to DL last year for whatever asinine reason, so spending a year on the sidelines will help him redevelop his skills as an OL and help him with pass-blocking. Redshirting him in 2014 would mean he could then play in 2015 and 2016. We're losing 5 OL this year including 4 starters, meaning our starting OL next year will might look like:
Eldrenkamp (rs-JR)
Charles (rs-SR)
Tufunga (rs-SR) OR Crane (rs-SO)
Brostek (true-SR or rs-JR)
Dolbec (rs-SR)
If we redshirt Brostek, we'd only lose 2-3 starters next year. Otherwise, we lose 3-4. As you can see, losing a potential of 7-8 starting OL over 2 years is a significant hurdle, so developing depth this year and next will be essential. And one of the best ways of doing that is to preserve a year of eligibility for Brostek. And it makes sense because it won't cost us anything this year and pay huge, HUGE dividends in 2016.
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I disagree about him playing well as a freshman. He was terrible, even against Portland State. It's a joke that he was thrown in there in the first place. Ektard told me it was necessary, but it wasn't. Once Brostek struggled, Criste went right back in at RG.whatshouldicareabout said:Brostek is a stud and did well playing as a true freshman (minus the pass-blocking).
However, the physicality, speed and technical aspects of the college game are much, much harder than high school, and the position has the highest learning curve of any position besides QB. All OL should be redshirted in their first year because they need time to build up their strength and speed and even more time to learn how to read defenses and pass-block correctly. Sure, if they're big enough, they can do well at run-blocking but they're going to get blown away in pass-protection because defenses are more sophisticated and players are that much better. If you want two recent examples of this, look no further than UW in 2011 (Porter started at RG, Kohler at RT) or UCLA in 2013 (3 true-freshman OL starting, Hundley sacked 3 times per game).
Redshirting Brostek now is a bit of a waste in the fact that he has had time to adjust to the physicality and speed of the game now. However, it makes sense considering a number of other factors. Sark moved Brostek from OL to DL last year for whatever asinine reason, so spending a year on the sidelines will help him redevelop his skills as an OL and help him with pass-blocking. Redshirting him in 2014 would mean he could then play in 2015 and 2016. We're losing 5 OL this year including 4 starters, meaning our starting OL next year will might look like:
Eldrenkamp (rs-JR)
Charles (rs-SR)
Tufunga (rs-SR) OR Crane (rs-SO)
Brostek (true-SR or rs-JR)
Dolbec (rs-SR)
If we redshirt Brostek, we'd only lose 2-3 starters next year. Otherwise, we lose 3-4. As you can see, losing a potential of 7-8 starting OL over 2 years is a significant hurdle, so developing depth this year and next will be essential. And one of the best ways of doing that is to preserve a year of eligibility for Brostek. And it makes sense because it won't cost us anything this year and pay huge, HUGE dividends in 2016.
The rest of your post is spot on. Charles, Tanigawa, Atoe, and Tufunga were all ahead of him during Spring Ball. We also have Crane to back up Criste at center and they had Tanigawa getting some reps there during Spring. We are 2 deep at all the interior OL positions and I don't see a need for Brostek. Hopefully he redshirts and competes for a starting job in 2015. -
Was he?RoadDawg55 said:I disagree about him playing well as a freshman. He was terrible, even against Portland State. It's a joke that he was thrown in there in the first place. Ektard told me it was necessary, but it wasn't. Once Brostek struggled, Criste went right back in at RG.
The rest of your post is spot on. Charles, Tanigawa, Atoe, and Tufunga were all ahead of him during Spring Ball. We also have Crane to back up Criste at center and they had Tanigawa getting some reps there during Spring. We are 2 deep at all the interior OL positions and I don't see a need for Brostek. Hopefully he redshirts and competes for a starting job in 2015.
Here are the highlights from the Stanford game where he started at RG (FWIW, Criste was starting RT that game, then switched to RG at halftime).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4HN2-XiTeY
Yes, I realize they're bias since they're Husky highlights (and not the whole game, where we could better gauge his performance) but if you look for #60, he does well getting to the second level and engaging LBs. I mentioned before he did well except when it came to pass-blocking, and from those limited clips, you could tell he struggle mightily. It's not like he's Porter or Tanigawa or someone like that, but he did well, especially considering the fact he was a true freshman going against Stanford's front 7. -
Do you remember the Stanford game? The OL got destroyed the whole game. We got the ball past the 50 once in the first half because of a 40 yard pass to Kasen down the sideline.
If he was doing well, he would have stayed in after halftime. I also remember a Portland State DT knocking Brostek on his ass and tackling Eric Wilson for a loss. He was a freshman who wasn't anywhere near ready and never should have saw the field. -
I don't know how many times in recent years this has been hashed out. The bottom line is Sark was a fucking idiot in burning redshirt years for linemen. The fuzzy chinned potential beasts, never had the opportunity to mature physically---joints, ligaments, build muscles, etc. And so many potential monster careers were fucking ruined.
Secondly, Coz was bad for recruiting and never developed our kids. Many on these boards come to his defense, but I think the proof became more apparent once he was gone. Pete isn't having a problem recruiting linemen like Sark/Coz did.
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I forgot to answer the question---yes Brostek should redshirt. In fact some others should as well. They need coached up and time with a real strength and conditioning guru, not the faux one who left.
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Brostek redshirts in an ideal world, especially when we have 2 RS-SRs (Atoe and Tanigawa) and 2 RS-JRs (Charles and Tufunga) for 2 OG spots. Could depend on Charles' health and how far Dane Crane developed in his RS year.
I don't see Dolbec starting at RT next year. Probably Andrew Kirkland or even Coleman Shelton would start over Dolbec in 2015. -
It made absolutely no sense to not redshirt Brostek last year and this year is no different. Due to Sark's shitty OL recruiting he's one of the few bridge guys between the 7 5th year Sr guys who graduate after this year and the guys who have never stepped on the field.
One thing is for certain - he's not going to play any meaningful minutes this year. He's like the 5th or 6th guard in the depth chart. Even if he sucks now, it makes sense for depth reasons to RS him
After this year we lose Tanigawa, Atoe, and Criste
Next year we lose Charles, Tufunga and Brostek if he doesn't RS
After that you have Andrew Kirkland and a bunch of guys like that who will have hardly played -
Peterman is going "WTF was the USC coach smoking". It's like we had a Trojan horse as a coach, I n intentionally tucking up our future.
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He wasn't smoking anything ... He's just a fucking idiot who has gotten lucky at the right time twice.Vegasdawg said:Peterman is going "WTF was the USC coach smoking". It's like we had a Trojan horse as a coach, I n intentionally tucking up our future.
Praise Allah for Pat HadenFS -
you all seem to forget, we lost Hindy. Severe blow to the depth.......
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after the first few seconds I was eagerly waiting for that rat-tail to make a reappearance.unfrozencaveman said:Whats up brahs? Brostek Sr at Sandy's
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WtF? Brostek is a junior. If he isn't good by now he won't be. A redshirt year will mean fuckall of nothing. We'll need battle tested seniors next year while our numbers and experience are down (thanks to Sark's massive oline classes.
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Redshirting true frosh lineman is coaching 101. Here's to hoping Sark continues this type of dumbfuckery at USC. Three medical retirements coming right up in LA!
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Nacho what good does it do to RS a junior? Since your dumbass voted down, the floor is yours chump...
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Again, we desperately need the depth the next two years much more so than this year. Even if he is mediocre. We need bodies.
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If Brostek truly sucks then I will trust the coaching staff if they don't redshirt him. They may want to push him through. If he has no chance of starting or being the first guy off the bench, than that is probably the best move. Ektard and Kim were the ones hyping him up, and it very well could have been to take heat off of Sark's horrendous OL recruiting.
He never should have played in the first place, but you do have to consider the possibility that he was never any good. Cooper Pelleur, Taz Stevenson, Garrett Gilliand, Eric Wilson, Talia Crichton, Sione Potoae. Sark played a lot of guys who had no business playing. Some of them had no business even getting a scholarship. The bottom half of Sark's classes were mostly shit.
Brostek went from 280 to 260 by the end of his freshman year. I truly don't get why he didn't redshirt one of his first two years, but if he can't hold weight and doesn't have the ability, get him through the program, especially if some of the true freshman look like better players. There's no point to hold up a scholarship for a guy who will never contribute. -
To Gilliland's defense he he didn't play too shabby for a true freshman. Much better than Timu did his freshman and sophomore years.
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Fuck enough of the BROSTEK bologna. He's the strongest guy on the team and has basically played for 1 year. Settle the fuck down you idgets.RoadDawg55 said:If Brostek truly sucks then I will trust the coaching staff if they don't redshirt him. They may want to push him through. If he has no chance of starting or being the first guy off the bench, than that is probably the best move. Ektard and Kim were the ones hyping him up, and it very well could have been to take heat off of Sark's horrendous OL recruiting.
He never should have played in the first place, but you do have to consider the possibility that he was never any good. Cooper Pelleur, Taz Stevenson, Garrett Gilliand, Eric Wilson, Talia Crichton, Sione Potoae. Sark played a lot of guys who had no business playing. Some of them had no business even getting a scholarship. The bottom half of Sark's classes were mostly shit.
Brostek went from 280 to 260 by the end of his freshman year. I truly don't get why he didn't redshirt one of his first two years, but if he can't hold weight and doesn't have the ability, get him through the program, especially if some of the true freshman look like better players. There's no point to hold up a scholarship for a guy who will never contribute. -
I think Strausser is going to unlock some hidden potential from some of the guys up front. If all goes well, the top 5-7 guys stay healthy and maybe Brostek can RS.
But as Puppy said, we are going to need some battle tested guys next year.
All this discussion is just icing on the cake knowing that Cozz is no longer foaming at the mouth on the sidelines. -
Don't get mad at us. It's FRANNY that you are actually upset with.puppylove_sugarsteel said:
Fuck enough of the BROSTEK bologna. He's the strongest guy on the team and has basically played for 1 year. Settle the fuck down you idgets.RoadDawg55 said:If Brostek truly sucks then I will trust the coaching staff if they don't redshirt him. They may want to push him through. If he has no chance of starting or being the first guy off the bench, than that is probably the best move. Ektard and Kim were the ones hyping him up, and it very well could have been to take heat off of Sark's horrendous OL recruiting.
He never should have played in the first place, but you do have to consider the possibility that he was never any good. Cooper Pelleur, Taz Stevenson, Garrett Gilliand, Eric Wilson, Talia Crichton, Sione Potoae. Sark played a lot of guys who had no business playing. Some of them had no business even getting a scholarship. The bottom half of Sark's classes were mostly shit.
Brostek went from 280 to 260 by the end of his freshman year. I truly don't get why he didn't redshirt one of his first two years, but if he can't hold weight and doesn't have the ability, get him through the program, especially if some of the true freshman look like better players. There's no point to hold up a scholarship for a guy who will never contribute. -
Is Ivan still going to get ahold of these guys?
