The Kraken has been released

MelloDawg said:

Goduckies said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

I said very early on that doing recounts would do nothing. This is a point of sale "crime." Catch it there or it won't be caught. I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything. You fix election security BEFORE elections, not after. And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

The cowardice to predict the crime you’re accusing people of can’t be proven.

I assume this isn't directed at me since I said right in my statement that "I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything."

As shocking as Race’s turn to full blown fascist has been, I gotta say, I’m most disappointed with you becoming an enlightened centrist. You did say that Swaye and then you said this:

And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

So what does the future hold? An undeterminable amount of voter fraud? More predicting crimes that you can’t prove? 100% this shit is cowardly.

I have always been consistent that while I do not know how much or how little fraud is occurring, SOME amount is occurring, and mail in voting only exacerbates that problem. To not see how sending millions of ballots out to addresses, and then expecting that all those ballots are only filled out by the prescribed person in accordance with the law is naive in the extreme. It invites fraud. The future with mail in voting does possess the potential for MASSIVE amounts of voter fraud. Will it happen? I don't know. But I am in the camp that says you shouldn't open the door to find out. Again, I have always been consistent in this opinion, and have absolutely no idea how those firmly held beliefs could be construed as cowardly.

To be frank, I'll put my bravery, in both beliefs and deeds, up against 99% of this country any day of the week. And certainly up against yours.

Your bravery in believing that voter fraud happens sometimes is noted.

It is funny that it’s almost always Trumper’s getting caught committing voter fraud and you never say shit about that. But the “potential” is scary. What a hero.

I don't want fraud on either side. Mail in voting allows the possibility of fraud on both sides. I've never claimed otherwise. That's why I like in person with ID voting. That system can be tricked as well, but it at least makes it a bit more difficult.

Lastly, thank you for noting my heroism. I am pretty awesome. Glad you noticed.

Yup my really good professor at Oregon hated vote by mail because of the fraud potential... he may have been a liberal, but he was a good liberal.... it also is ripe to coercion as well...

I love that you were a political science major.

MelloDawg said:

thechatch said:

Imagine caring about what degree someone graduated with 20-30 years ago.

I don’t care though, that’s the thing. Frankly, that’s the closest you’ll see me getting to a personal attack on the site.

Pitchfork51 said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

I said very early on that doing recounts would do nothing. This is a point of sale "crime." Catch it there or it won't be caught. I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything. You fix election security BEFORE elections, not after. And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

The cowardice to predict the crime you’re accusing people of can’t be proven.

I assume this isn't directed at me since I said right in my statement that "I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything."

As shocking as Race’s turn to full blown fascist has been, I gotta say, I’m most disappointed with you becoming an enlightened centrist. You did say that Swaye and then you said this:

And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

So what does the future hold? An undeterminable amount of voter fraud? More predicting crimes that you can’t prove? 100% this shit is cowardly.

I have always been consistent that while I do not know how much or how little fraud is occurring, SOME amount is occurring, and mail in voting only exacerbates that problem. To not see how sending millions of ballots out to addresses, and then expecting that all those ballots are only filled out by the prescribed person in accordance with the law is naive in the extreme. It invites fraud. The future with mail in voting does possess the potential for MASSIVE amounts of voter fraud. Will it happen? I don't know. But I am in the camp that says you shouldn't open the door to find out. Again, I have always been consistent in this opinion, and have absolutely no idea how those firmly held beliefs could be construed as cowardly.

To be frank, I'll put my bravery, in both beliefs and deeds, up against 99% of this country any day of the week. And certainly up against yours.

Your bravery in believing that voter fraud happens sometimes is noted.

It is funny that it’s almost always Trumper’s getting caught committing voter fraud and you never say shit about that. But the “potential” is scary. What a hero.

I don't want fraud on either side. Mail in voting allows the possibility of fraud on both sides. I've never claimed otherwise. That's why I like in person with ID voting. That system can be tricked as well, but it at least makes it a bit more difficult.

Lastly, thank you for noting my heroism. I am pretty awesome. Glad you noticed.

Thats very noble of you.

I am all for cheating as long as its the side I agree with. The oppositions stupid woke bullshit must be crushed and they must continue to be miserable losers.
Since the left is super lazy, the easiest way is to add another layer for voting since they are likely to just give up.

The fewer leftist people that vote, the better.

Now of course people on the left agree with this on their side, they just pretend they dont and that they are the moral standard.

MelloDawg said:

Goduckies said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Swaye said:

I said very early on that doing recounts would do nothing. This is a point of sale "crime." Catch it there or it won't be caught. I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything. You fix election security BEFORE elections, not after. And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

The cowardice to predict the crime you’re accusing people of can’t be proven.

I assume this isn't directed at me since I said right in my statement that "I have no idea how much fraud occurred or didn't occur with mail in voting and ballot harvesting, etc., but recounting ballots isn't ever going to change anything."

As shocking as Race’s turn to full blown fascist has been, I gotta say, I’m most disappointed with you becoming an enlightened centrist. You did say that Swaye and then you said this:

And with mail in voting here to stay, I'll give everyone 3 guesses as to what the future holds.

So what does the future hold? An undeterminable amount of voter fraud? More predicting crimes that you can’t prove? 100% this shit is cowardly.

I have always been consistent that while I do not know how much or how little fraud is occurring, SOME amount is occurring, and mail in voting only exacerbates that problem. To not see how sending millions of ballots out to addresses, and then expecting that all those ballots are only filled out by the prescribed person in accordance with the law is naive in the extreme. It invites fraud. The future with mail in voting does possess the potential for MASSIVE amounts of voter fraud. Will it happen? I don't know. But I am in the camp that says you shouldn't open the door to find out. Again, I have always been consistent in this opinion, and have absolutely no idea how those firmly held beliefs could be construed as cowardly.

To be frank, I'll put my bravery, in both beliefs and deeds, up against 99% of this country any day of the week. And certainly up against yours.

Your bravery in believing that voter fraud happens sometimes is noted.

It is funny that it’s almost always Trumper’s getting caught committing voter fraud and you never say shit about that. But the “potential” is scary. What a hero.

I don't want fraud on either side. Mail in voting allows the possibility of fraud on both sides. I've never claimed otherwise. That's why I like in person with ID voting. That system can be tricked as well, but it at least makes it a bit more difficult.

Lastly, thank you for noting my heroism. I am pretty awesome. Glad you noticed.

Yup my really good professor at Oregon hated vote by mail because of the fraud potential... he may have been a liberal, but he was a good liberal.... it also is ripe to coercion as well...

I love that you were a political science major.