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    PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 41,880
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    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

    Republican deputy attorney general, nominated by Republican President, appoints Republican to investigate alleged wrongdoing. Sounds grim.

    No charges? Insufficient admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or, as partisan whores like yourself label it, "Exoneration!"
    Wear that tin foil hat Q

    You had three years of investigation and got shit to show for it

    There's more evidence of electoral fraud with no one wanting to look

    You fucking traitors tried to bring down an elected government

    You should be shot
    There's still time.

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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    edited September 2021
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

    Republican deputy attorney general, nominated by Republican President, appoints Republican to investigate alleged wrongdoing. Sounds grim.

    No charges? Insufficient admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or, as partisan whores like yourself label it, "Exoneration!"
    Yeah, Mueller and Comey were both "Republicans" just like you're a Republican right Dazzler. Do innocent people destroy subpoenaed materials Dazzler? And why is it, that you have zero interest in the very real collusion Hillary did with the Russians? Seems to me that if you were truly interested in investigating Russian collusion you wouldn't be so unwilling to look at the collusion we no for a fact Hillary engaged in.

    So tell me again how it works Dazzler. Joe Biden is innocent of any allegations of corruption because he hasn't been charged with anything, but Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russian even though neither he or anyone else was ever charged with it.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,200
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    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

    Republican deputy attorney general, nominated by Republican President, appoints Republican to investigate alleged wrongdoing. Sounds grim.

    No charges? Insufficient admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or, as partisan whores like yourself label it, "Exoneration!"
    Yeah, Mueller and Comey were both "Republicans" just like you're a Republican right Dazzler. Do innocent people destroy subpoenaed materials Dazzler? And why is it, that you have zero interest in the very real collusion Hillary did with the Russians? Seems to me that if you were truly interested in investigating Russian collusion you wouldn't be so unwilling to look at the collusion we no for a fact Hillary engaged in.

    So tell me again how it works Dazzler. Joe Biden is innocent of any allegations of corruption because he hasn't been charged with anything, but Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russian even though neither he or anyone else was ever charged with it.
    Madam, I simply pointed out that there was a lot of evidence to support looking into the question. I haven't ever said the decision not to charge Daddy was incorrect. You're the shrill partisan who keeps claiming there wasn't any evidence to investigate. That is patently false.
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    DawgtonaDawgtona Member Posts: 705
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    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    You really believe everything your tv tells you....don't you.
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    HHuskyHHusky Member Posts: 19,200
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    Dawgtona said:

    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    You really believe everything your tv tells you....don't you.
    They made the Mueller Report into a teevee show?
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,804
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    edited September 2021

    The far right are very shitty, but the far left are the most worthless people on Earth. Screw it, I’m going group the far right and the far left together. They are equally horrible.

    Totally. I mean, we had moderate George W Bush who had 9/11 happen on his watch. Who lied us into a war with Iraq and started a 20 year unwinnable war with Afghanistan. Oh and then cratered the economy.

    Then we had king of the liberals, who promised Hope and Change. And then he didn’t close Guantanamo, didn’t end the war in Afghanistan, didn’t deliver the public option, dropped more bombs than Bush, oh and he bombed a children’s hospital.

    In fact he was so terrible that America chose to not elect a former senator and Secretary of State whose entire platform was “I’ll be just like Obama” instead going with a racist reality tv show host.

    Tell me more about how bad the far right and left are though.
    Other than one key distinction used by the stablishment to create division that otherwise wouldn't exist, you make some valid poonts.

    The corrupt establishment rains money down both sides of the middle-aisle* employing divide-and-concquer strategery.

    #oldesttrickinthebook ... It still works






    *where mello lives
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,804
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    edited September 2021
    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    "lol"

    The Dazzler still believes in russiagate when this came out just 4 days ago. A Biden admin DOJ indictment of a Clinton/dnc opperative at the inception of the entire russiagate affair.

    https://www.justice.gov/sco/pr/grand-jury-indicts-dc-attorney-making-false-statements-fbi-2016-regarding-alleged



    You might be the dumbest mother fuck of all dumb mother fucks. Congratulations, *cough* Counselor *cough*
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    pawzpawz Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,804
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    HHusky said:

    Dawgtona said:

    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    You really believe everything your tv tells you....don't you.
    They made the Mueller Report into a teevee show?
    Primetime MSNBC/CNN for months.
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    GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 5,366
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    SFGbob said:

    The far right are very shitty, but the far left are the most worthless people on Earth. Screw it, I’m going group the far right and the far left together. They are equally horrible.

    Define your terms. Who makes up the far right and what are the policies they promote that make them shitty?
    Never understood what people meant by far right. Is there a group I am not aware of? Is it supposed to be like the people who take the bible literally and live their life like that? Seriously, I have never run into or heard of a "far right" organization like the far left woke crowd, blm, antifa, teachers union, KKK, etc. People talk about quanon but there is no movement by that name, no attempts to organize against the entire country like those on the far left. I can't even tell you the name of one person involved in a so called "far right' group.
    Proud boys is far right to me
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    GoduckiesGoduckies Member Posts: 5,366
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    pawz said:

    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    "lol"

    The Dazzler still believes in russiagate when this came out just 4 days ago. A Biden admin DOJ indictment of a Clinton/dnc opperative at the inception of the entire russiagate affair.

    https://www.justice.gov/sco/pr/grand-jury-indicts-dc-attorney-making-false-statements-fbi-2016-regarding-alleged



    You might be the dumbest mother fuck of all dumb mother fucks. Congratulations, *cough* Counselor *cough*
    But this is fake... from a republican operation oh wait
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    HustlinOwlHustlinOwl Member Posts: 953
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    hardhat said:

    SFGbob said:

    The far right are very shitty, but the far left are the most worthless people on Earth. Screw it, I’m going group the far right and the far left together. They are equally horrible.

    Totally. I mean, we had moderate George W Bush who had 9/11 happen on his watch. Who lied us into a war with Iraq and started a 20 year unwinnable war with Afghanistan. Oh and then cratered the economy.

    Then we had king of the liberals, who promised Hope and Change. And then he didn’t close Guantanamo, didn’t end the war in Afghanistan, didn’t deliver the public option, dropped more bombs than Bush, oh and he bombed a children’s hospital.

    In fact he was so terrible that America chose to not elect a former senator and Secretary of State whose entire platform was “I’ll be just like Obama” instead going with a racist reality tv show host.

    Tell me more about how bad the far right and left are though.
    Want to see a Kunt run and hide? Tell us what Bush did to crater the economy Kobe? Say goodbye to Kobe the Kunt.
    He allowed Lehman Bros to fail and could have stopped that. Not completely sure how much that would change history, but it was a significant and preventable incident.
    Iron rule of economic projection is that when it's the opposite team, the president is always at fault for the economy, but when it's your team, then it's a market economy. Also works the opposite way. Thanks for playing.
    I'm not going to disagree. The President has significant influence, but some things are out of their control.

    Let's see if China learned something from us or not.

    Evergrande
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/21/investing/dow-stock-market-today/index.html
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    WestlinnDuckWestlinnDuck Member Posts: 13,934
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    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    The far right are very shitty, but the far left are the most worthless people on Earth. Screw it, I’m going group the far right and the far left together. They are equally horrible.

    Totally. I mean, we had moderate George W Bush who had 9/11 happen on his watch. Who lied us into a war with Iraq and started a 20 year unwinnable war with Afghanistan. Oh and then cratered the economy.

    Then we had king of the liberals, who promised Hope and Change. And then he didn’t close Guantanamo, didn’t end the war in Afghanistan, didn’t deliver the public option, dropped more bombs than Bush, oh and he bombed a children’s hospital.

    In fact he was so terrible that America chose to not elect a former senator and Secretary of State whose entire platform was “I’ll be just like Obama” instead going with a racist reality tv show host.

    Tell me more about how bad the far right and left are though.
    Want to see a Kunt run and hide? Tell us what Bush did to crater the economy Kobe? Say goodbye to Kobe the Kunt.
    He allowed Lehman Bros to fail and could have stopped that. Not completely sure how much that would change history, but it was a significant and preventable incident.

    Economy was already melting down, that's why Lehman Bros was failing. So Owl says Bush should have done even more to bail out Wall Street.
    The economy was melting down because of the feds (dems and RINOs) interference in the housing market with the CRA mandate on US lending institutions to make loans to poor credit risk borrowers and then Fannie Mae buying toxic mortgages and establishing a fake value for subprime mortgages. Lehman, supposedly one of the "smartest people in the room" was left holding the bag when everyone decided to leave the room. They had invested up to their eyeballs on high risk housing derivatives for the supposed above market value return.

    I'll agree that Bush was an idiot, but even he tried to reign in Fannie Mae. Still, a moron looks and sees that homeowners have a much lower rate of criminality than non-homeowners and then concludes that if non-homeowners are given homes, then they won't be criminals.
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    SFGbobSFGbob Member Posts: 31,920
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    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

    Republican deputy attorney general, nominated by Republican President, appoints Republican to investigate alleged wrongdoing. Sounds grim.

    No charges? Insufficient admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or, as partisan whores like yourself label it, "Exoneration!"
    Yeah, Mueller and Comey were both "Republicans" just like you're a Republican right Dazzler. Do innocent people destroy subpoenaed materials Dazzler? And why is it, that you have zero interest in the very real collusion Hillary did with the Russians? Seems to me that if you were truly interested in investigating Russian collusion you wouldn't be so unwilling to look at the collusion we no for a fact Hillary engaged in.

    So tell me again how it works Dazzler. Joe Biden is innocent of any allegations of corruption because he hasn't been charged with anything, but Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russian even though neither he or anyone else was ever charged with it.
    Madam, I simply pointed out that there was a lot of evidence to support looking into the question. I haven't ever said the decision not to charge Daddy was incorrect. You're the shrill partisan who keeps claiming there wasn't any evidence to investigate. That is patently false.
    You're the shrill partisan who keeps claiming there wasn't any evidence to investigate.

    You're such a fucking liar Dazzler. My position from the very beginning was investigate all of it. But it became pretty apparent early on that there was no there, there. You're the one who has had zero interest in looking into any of the very real evidence that Hillary paid a foreign national who in turn paid Russians with ties to the Kremlin for dirty on Trump in order to impact the 2016 election.

    That was never part of what Mueller even looked at.
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