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  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,337
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    Weird how you don't post a link to your cut and paste job Dazzler.

    Oh know they shared polling data!!!!! Not the polling data!!!! Weird how despite all the killer evidence no one was ever even charged with any of those "crimes" Dazzler.

    Surely you know those were the findings of the Mueller Report.

    They stand in marked contrast to the evidence free ramblings of your Jan. 6th heroes.
    Surely I know you cut and pasted that from somewhere. Do you want to lie and claim you didn't Dazzler?
    I did.

    So what?

    It's an accurate summary.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    Weird how you don't post a link to your cut and paste job Dazzler.

    Oh know they shared polling data!!!!! Not the polling data!!!! Weird how despite all the killer evidence no one was ever even charged with any of those "crimes" Dazzler.

    Surely you know those were the findings of the Mueller Report.

    They stand in marked contrast to the evidence free ramblings of your Jan. 6th heroes.
    Surely I know you cut and pasted that from somewhere. Do you want to lie and claim you didn't Dazzler?
    I did.

    So what?

    It's an accurate summary.
    Why not provide the link Dazzler? And actually it contains a number of flat-out lies.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,337
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    Weird how you don't post a link to your cut and paste job Dazzler.

    Oh know they shared polling data!!!!! Not the polling data!!!! Weird how despite all the killer evidence no one was ever even charged with any of those "crimes" Dazzler.

    Surely you know those were the findings of the Mueller Report.

    They stand in marked contrast to the evidence free ramblings of your Jan. 6th heroes.
    Surely I know you cut and pasted that from somewhere. Do you want to lie and claim you didn't Dazzler?
    I did.

    So what?

    It's an accurate summary.
    Why not provide the link Dazzler? And actually it contains a number of flat-out lies.
    Point 'em out.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,609 Standard Supporter
    HHusky said:

    What blob baldly calls the collusion "fraud" was supported by at least these major findings:

    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.

    He poses "honest questions" like that.

    Now do hillary and Obama! We'll wait.

    6 +years of Trump investigations by rabid loony libs have resulted in what charges? Lay 'em out counselor. We'll wait!

    I won't wait to call you a shill faggot commie chodler though.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    SFGbob said:

    Weird how you don't post a link to your cut and paste job Dazzler.

    Oh know they shared polling data!!!!! Not the polling data!!!! Weird how despite all the killer evidence no one was ever even charged with any of those "crimes" Dazzler.

    Surely you know those were the findings of the Mueller Report.

    They stand in marked contrast to the evidence free ramblings of your Jan. 6th heroes.
    Surely I know you cut and pasted that from somewhere. Do you want to lie and claim you didn't Dazzler?
    I did.

    So what?

    It's an accurate summary.
    Why not provide the link Dazzler? And actually it contains a number of flat-out lies.
    Point 'em out.
    1. Trump was receptive to a Campaign national security adviser’s (George Papadopoulos) pursuit of a back channel to Putin.

    2. Kremlin operatives provided the Campaign a preview of the Russian plan to distribute stolen emails.

    3. The Trump Campaign chairman and deputy chairman (Paul Manafort and Rick Gates) knowingly shared internal polling data and information on battleground states with a Russian spy; and the Campaign chairman worked with the Russian spy on a pro-Russia “peace” plan for Ukraine.

    4. The Trump Campaign chairman periodically shared internal polling data with the Russian spy with the expectation it would be shared with Putin-linked oligarch, Oleg Deripaska.

    5. Trump Campaign chairman Manafort expected Trump’s winning the presidency would mean Deripaska would want to use Manafort to advance Deripaska’s interests in the United States and elsewhere.

    6. Trump Tower meeting: (1) On receiving an email offering derogatory information on Clinton coming from a Russian government official, Donald Trump Jr. “appears to have accepted that offer;” (2) members of the Campaign discussed the Trump Tower meeting beforehand; (3) Donald Trump Jr. told the Russians during the meeting that Trump could revisit the issue of the Magnitsky Act if elected.

    7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes; however, the investigation did not establish that Gordon was directed by Trump.

    8. Russian military hackers may have followed Trump’s July 27, 2016 public statement “Russia if you’re listening …” within hours by targeting Clinton’s personal office for the first time.

    9. Trump requested campaign affiliates to get Clinton’s emails, which resulted in an individual apparently acting in coordination with the Campaign claiming to have successfully contacted Russian hackers.

    10. The Trump Campaign—and Trump personally—appeared to have advanced knowledge of future WikiLeaks releases.

    11. The Trump Campaign coordinated campaign-related public communications based on future WikiLeaks releases.

    12. Michael Cohen, on behalf of the Trump Organization, brokered a secret deal for a Trump Tower Moscow project directly involving Putin’s inner circle, at least until June 2016.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,337
    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    edited September 2021
    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188

    SFGbob said:

    The far right are very shitty, but the far left are the most worthless people on Earth. Screw it, I’m going group the far right and the far left together. They are equally horrible.

    Totally. I mean, we had moderate George W Bush who had 9/11 happen on his watch. Who lied us into a war with Iraq and started a 20 year unwinnable war with Afghanistan. Oh and then cratered the economy.

    Then we had king of the liberals, who promised Hope and Change. And then he didn’t close Guantanamo, didn’t end the war in Afghanistan, didn’t deliver the public option, dropped more bombs than Bush, oh and he bombed a children’s hospital.

    In fact he was so terrible that America chose to not elect a former senator and Secretary of State whose entire platform was “I’ll be just like Obama” instead going with a racist reality tv show host.

    Tell me more about how bad the far right and left are though.
    Want to see a Kunt run and hide? Tell us what Bush did to crater the economy Kobe? Say goodbye to Kobe the Kunt.
    He allowed Lehman Bros to fail and could have stopped that. Not completely sure how much that would change history, but it was a significant and preventable incident.

    Economy was already melting down, that's why Lehman Bros was failing. So Owl says Bush should have done even more to bail out Wall Street.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 24,337
    SFGbob said:

    HHusky said:

    And none of this is to ignore the efforts to impede the investigation. 'Cuz that's how innocent people behave.



    "[T]he investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the
    Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with
    Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the
    investigation of Russian election interference. The Office charged some of those lies as
    violations of the federal false-statements statute. Former National Security Advisor
    Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying about his interactions with Russian Ambassador
    Kislyak during the transition period. George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor
    during the campaign period, pleaded guilty to lying to investigators about, inter
    alia, the nature and timing of his interactions with Joseph Mifsud, the professor who
    told Papadopoulos that the Russians had dirt on candidate Clinton in the form of
    thousands of emails. Former Trump Organization attorney Michael Cohen pleaded
    guilty to making false statements to Congress about the Trump Moscow project. And in February
    2019, the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia found that Manafort lied
    to the Office and the grand jury concerning his interactions and communications
    with Konstantin Kilimnik about Trump Campaign polling data and a peace plan for
    Ukraine."

    Yes, you'd hate to impede a politically motivated investigation that is relying on bogus information to securely illegally obtained FISA warrants.

    Do innocent people destroy their subpoenaed Blackberries with hammers and bleach bit their computers Dazzler? Do innocent people plant knowingly false stories in the press in order to smear their political opponents Dazzler?

    Again, why no charges dealing with collusion with the Russians Dazzler? You have all that killer evidence and all you've got is few people entrapped by supposed "lies" they told to corrupt FBI members.

    Republican deputy attorney general, nominated by Republican President, appoints Republican to investigate alleged wrongdoing. Sounds grim.

    No charges? Insufficient admissible evidence to secure a conviction. Or, as partisan whores like yourself label it, "Exoneration!"