It's wild to think if Fresno had taken care of business vs Oregon... they'd be 4-0 with wins over 2x ranked P12 teams and have a clear argument for the playoff.
They look fucking good. He's getting that kind of play out of a roster of guys the whole Pac 12 passed on as recruits. Fresno would beat UW by four touchdowns on a bad day.
Get him now. By next year he'll have his sights set higher than UW.
Many of the Fresno State players could not qualify academically for PAC-12 schools (in the past).
He’s a gunslinger try hard, but he does drop dimes. His side arm quick hitters have a special rhythm.
He never would have looked this good at uw anyways unless tedford was around. We have had clueless staff after clueless staff running the offense.
He is a turnover machine at times but drops dimes like you said. these guys are extremely well coached in their routes and scheme and timing.
UW would have neutered him for sure. He’s a perfect MWC QB. He’s good, but is small and he’s not a traditional QB.
He does have talent tho. If he was a Pete QB at Boise, he would have been special. I also think Pete’s burnout had a little to do with this. Pete knew Haener was talented.
He’s a gunslinger try hard, but he does drop dimes. His side arm quick hitters have a special rhythm.
He never would have looked this good at uw anyways unless tedford was around. We have had clueless staff after clueless staff running the offense.
He is a turnover machine at times but drops dimes like you said. these guys are extremely well coached in their routes and scheme and timing.
UW would have neutered him for sure. He’s a perfect MWC QB. He’s good, but is small and he’s not a traditional QB.
He does have talent tho. If he was a Pete QB at Boise, he would have been special. I also think Pete’s burnout had a little to do with this. Pete knew Haener was talented.
No way UW would have got a game out of Haener like today. And I don't think Haener could make it through a full P5 season.
He’s a gunslinger try hard, but he does drop dimes. His side arm quick hitters have a special rhythm.
He never would have looked this good at uw anyways unless tedford was around. We have had clueless staff after clueless staff running the offense.
He is a turnover machine at times but drops dimes like you said. these guys are extremely well coached in their routes and scheme and timing.
UW offense under CP and Lake is a pile of shit designed to make QB's play like shit. 3/4 of all QB recruits transfer out and the starters suck.
Would hire the Fresno guy right now. His team plays like fucking studs.
Also worth noting haener at times gets rid of it super early to wide open check downs in stride with tons of space. I have not seen that at uw like ever. Blitz us and we crumble. I like the fresno state guy. No idea if he can actually run a program but worth a shorn big names ain’t coming here
The Fresno coach is my number one choice to replace Jimmy. 61-3 at any college level is no joke. He was the OC at Fresno under Tedford in 17 and 18 and they went 22-6 and won a conference title. In 19 he left for the OC job at Indiana. The next year Fresno cratered and Tedford quit. They immediately called Deboer and asked him to be the HC. That offense has an answer to everything that gets thrown at them. Very impressive. He will probably end up at ASU or some Big 10 team though because we can't have nice things.
KALEN DEBOER- would be a great choice. He has head coaching experience and no question he is a good coach. Only thing is that UW needs a proven recruiter to be head coach. With that being said I would take him right now over Jimmy Lake no question.
Haener is not the greatest QB but fuck off if you can admit he is far superior to Dylan Morris. Morris is trash.
KALEN DEBOER- would be a great choice. He has head coaching experience and no question he is a good coach. Only thing is that UW needs a proven recruiter to be head coach. With that being said I would take him right now over Jimmy Lake no question.
Haener is not the greatest QB but fuck off if you can admit he is far superior to Dylan Morris. Morris is trash.
1. You can hire recruiters. The head coach just needs to hold them accountable. 2. After the off season disasters and watching how poorly coached asu is, I can’t imagine herm coming back. They looked awful last night for all the talent they have. I would bet he ends up there and uw enthusiastically keeps jimmy lake turning it around and getting g to 5-7.
The Fresno coach is my number one choice to replace Jimmy. 61-3 at any college level is no joke. He was the OC at Fresno under Tedford in 17 and 18 and they went 22-6 and won a conference title. In 19 he left for the OC job at Indiana. The next year Fresno cratered and Tedford quit. They immediately called Deboer and asked him to be the HC. That offense has an answer to everything that gets thrown at them. Very impressive. He will probably end up at ASU or some Big 10 team though because we can't have nice things.
How sad are UCLA's fans? Biggest win in a long time against LSU and I've seen minor league baseball stadiums w. a louder crowd.
As someone that has lived in LA, you have to understand that UCLA will never be good in football, and USC will never be good in basketball. Sure, individual good years may happen, but it will always be a fluke. It doesn't matter how good you think their coach is, or how good their players are. Westwood is great. Hot girls, rich people everywhere, right near the beach. There's so much to do. But, nobody that chooses to go there will ever be a tough minded football player, because you choose to go there because you are Charmin fucking soft, or if not you become that right away. Its a fundamental law of nature the same way Coogin' it is.
Its the opposite in basketball, because basketball players are used to being Primadonnas and thrive in the soft environment and none that are any good want to live in the USC campus in South Central playing in front of fans that don't give a shit. I married into a USC family and none of them give a runny shit about the basketball team even in their best years. I'm usually the one to inform them if they are any good that year, but they fucking cry if I make fun of the football team.
You can't win at UCLA. Won't happen. Anyone that does is the fucking exception that proves the rule.
I had a personal hawt take last night while watching this game:
What if Petersen's offense wasn't actually all that shitty, and it really was just an execution/personnel problem? We're all creaming our sweats over Fresno's coach this morning, but there was little about it that stood out from what UW was trying to do under Petersen. I saw lots of pre-snap motion and shifts, lots of formations, tight ends and H-backs, four and five-wide sets, single back, shotgun and under center, varied pace, preference to throw to the sideline instead of the middle of the field. Hell, even the quarterback clapping thing. About the only difference is the run:pass balance, but that might have just been situational to one game, and it's not like FSU abandoned the run (37 attempts) or sucked at it (100+ yard rusher).
In 2016, with a quarterback with two shoulders, Ross and Pettis, Gaskin, Tray and MacGeary, Sample and Dissly, the offense put up over 40 points per game, passing all over some teams and running all over others when the pass wasn't working (mostly after the shoulder injury).
Last night, Haener reminded me of Browning during one of his good games, and with a bit of extra arm. Their running back reminded me of Gaskin, consistently churning out yards and being tough. Their OL was fundamentally sound, and Haener did well moving in the pocket to help them. They have a lot of athletic receivers who find space.
So what if Petersen's offensive design wasn't the problem but losing the pieces that made it work was? Things like a change in offensive line coach, as the OL was never the same after Strausser left? Losing Pettis and Ross (number one receiver in 2019 can't get a freaking catch at Fresno!?). Gaskin moving on was probably the final nail.
They look fucking good. He's getting that kind of play out of a roster of guys the whole Pac 12 passed on as recruits. Fresno would beat UW by four touchdowns on a bad day.
Get him now. By next year he'll have his sights set higher than UW.
Many of the Fresno State players could not qualify academically for PAC-12 schools except for Oregon.
Ty Jones got no separation and wasn't a factor, shocking. Haener has guts and a live arm. Probably better than Morris
I mean, do you really think Morris could make those throws? He's not that consistent and he's even less athletic than Haener.
Morris has similar arm strength and mobility IMO. So far his accuracy is inconsistent but Haener has been allowed to sling it and work through his issues. Morris really hasn't yet.
I still see Morris ad a 50:50 proposition. He might be good given a good scheme and play calling. Or he might be more of what we've seen. I think he's still unproven either way..
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It's wild to think if Fresno had taken care of business vs Oregon... they'd be 4-0 with wins over 2x ranked P12 teams and have a clear argument for the playoff.
He is a turnover machine at times but drops dimes like you said. these guys are extremely well coached in their routes and scheme and timing.
He does have talent tho. If he was a Pete QB at Boise, he would have been special. I also think Pete’s burnout had a little to do with this. Pete knew Haener was talented.
Would hire the Fresno guy right now. His team plays like fucking studs.
He’s dangerous enough that if he gets hot he can beat you
That’s always been big part of the challenge of going undefeated on the west coast
Haener is not the greatest QB but fuck off if you can admit he is far superior to Dylan Morris. Morris is trash.
2. After the off season disasters and watching how poorly coached asu is, I can’t imagine herm coming back. They looked awful last night for all the talent they have. I would bet he ends up there and uw enthusiastically keeps jimmy lake turning it around and getting g to 5-7.
But, what does Damon think?
If Brock starts singing DeBoer’s praises on Monday morning with Salk, we’ll know Damon has found his target.
Its the opposite in basketball, because basketball players are used to being Primadonnas and thrive in the soft environment and none that are any good want to live in the USC campus in South Central playing in front of fans that don't give a shit. I married into a USC family and none of them give a runny shit about the basketball team even in their best years. I'm usually the one to inform them if they are any good that year, but they fucking cry if I make fun of the football team.
You can't win at UCLA. Won't happen. Anyone that does is the fucking exception that proves the rule.
What if Petersen's offense wasn't actually all that shitty, and it really was just an execution/personnel problem? We're all creaming our sweats over Fresno's coach this morning, but there was little about it that stood out from what UW was trying to do under Petersen. I saw lots of pre-snap motion and shifts, lots of formations, tight ends and H-backs, four and five-wide sets, single back, shotgun and under center, varied pace, preference to throw to the sideline instead of the middle of the field. Hell, even the quarterback clapping thing. About the only difference is the run:pass balance, but that might have just been situational to one game, and it's not like FSU abandoned the run (37 attempts) or sucked at it (100+ yard rusher).
In 2016, with a quarterback with two shoulders, Ross and Pettis, Gaskin, Tray and MacGeary, Sample and Dissly, the offense put up over 40 points per game, passing all over some teams and running all over others when the pass wasn't working (mostly after the shoulder injury).
Last night, Haener reminded me of Browning during one of his good games, and with a bit of extra arm. Their running back reminded me of Gaskin, consistently churning out yards and being tough. Their OL was fundamentally sound, and Haener did well moving in the pocket to help them. They have a lot of athletic receivers who find space.
So what if Petersen's offensive design wasn't the problem but losing the pieces that made it work was? Things like a change in offensive line coach, as the OL was never the same after Strausser left? Losing Pettis and Ross (number one receiver in 2019 can't get a freaking catch at Fresno!?). Gaskin moving on was probably the final nail.
I still see Morris ad a 50:50 proposition. He might be good given a good scheme and play calling. Or he might be more of what we've seen. I think he's still unproven either way..