Johnny Manziel: What Jake Locker could have been...
Jake was every bit the same talent as a runner as Manziel and was bigger and stronger too.
Manziel's Cotton Bowl highlights.
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Agreed. I remember watching the Syracuse and Boise State games his first year and thinking the sky's the limit....
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Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel
Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer. -
Jake was a much more accurate passer while on the run, than when parked in the pocket. Incidentally, he would still be having the same sub par NFL career regardless.
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Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.
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If anyone in the NFL had half a brain they would go 0-16 next year, take Johnny football with the first pick in 14' draft and then hire Chip to pop off. SB baby.
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I bumped it because I wanted to bump it
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You lying fuck J, you never played sportsPurpleJ said:
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JFF and Masoli are what we would call "co-dependents"
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Derek may need to gulag himself for this statement
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Boobs please come back d00d, we need you now more than ever!TierbsHsotBoobs said:Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel
Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer. -
i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.DeLarry said:Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.
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also at Notre Dame when he threw that straight arm and we lost after fucking up 8 plays in a row at the goal line. That wasn't Jake coming up small in my eyes.
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WTF? "I respect your opinion" on this bored?Meek said:
i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.DeLarry said:Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.
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i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.dnc said:
Boobs please come back d00d, we need you now more than ever!TierbsHsotBoobs said:Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel
Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer. -
At times like this, its important to remember that no one on this site knows what the fuck they're talking about
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Agree. He shit the bed against Nebraska twice (they shit it worse the second time). He never really did aside from those games though. He was never a good quarterback, but wasn't any worse in the clutch than out of it. Could be argued that he stepped up a bit.Meek said:
i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.DeLarry said:Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.
Sark > Ty statement...Locker came up with more big plays in tight games than our current QB has (anything is more than zero, I know). -
Agreed. Locker had many issues. Shrinking back from the moment wasn't one of them.chuck said:
Agree. He shit the bed against Nebraska twice (they shit it worse the second time). He never really did aside from those games though. He was never a good quarterback, but wasn't any worse in the clutch than out of it. Could be argued that he stepped up a bit.Meek said:
i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.DeLarry said:Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.
Sark > Ty statement...Locker came up with more big plays in tight games than our current QB has (anything is more than zero, I know). -
Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.
@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.
Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters. -
It wasn't just BYU and Nebraska. Locker had a bunch of shitty games.Doogles said:Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.
@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.
Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters. -
This.Doogles said:Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.
@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.
Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters. -
Agree. I've never really gotten the Locker bashing. He was easily the best option at the time. Also, anyone who thinks Pete's teams wouldn't have been substantially more competitive so far with him, well ..... you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it, you're kidding yourself if you don't believe it .... Come on ....Dennis_DeYoung said:
This.Doogles said:Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.
@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.
Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters. -
You sound like Griswold hereSoutherndawg said:
Agree. I've never really gotten the Locker bashing. He was easily the best option at the time. Also, anyone who thinks Pete's teams wouldn't have been substantially more competitive so far with him, well ..... you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it, you're kidding yourself if you don't believe it .... Come on ....Dennis_DeYoung said:
This.Doogles said:Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.
@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.
Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters. -
It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
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Seems like most of that eventually died out anyways. I think that, aside from a few funny doogs and a few unfunny doog website admins, most Lockner fans resigned themselves to simply trying to get his good points acknowledged alongside the bad.DerekJohnson said:It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
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There's still a few doogs even here who think we'd have won the natty with him in 2016, but overall, agree.chuck said:
Seems like most of that eventually died out anyways. I think that, aside from a few funny doogs and a few unfunny doog website admins, most Lockner fans resigned themselves to simply trying to get his good points acknowledged alongside the bad.DerekJohnson said:It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
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With the Locker any of us ever saw? Haha nodnc said:
There's still a few doogs even here who think we'd have won the natty with him in 2016, but overall, agree.chuck said:
Seems like most of that eventually died out anyways. I think that, aside from a few funny doogs and a few unfunny doog website admins, most Lockner fans resigned themselves to simply trying to get his good points acknowledged alongside the bad.DerekJohnson said:It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
With the hypothetical Locker that a hypothetical coach would have brought out? Yeah, I guess. He had the physical talent to carry a team at the highest level.
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All I'm saying is that there's a possible world where this scenario could exist...chuck said:
With the Locker any of us ever saw? Haha nodnc said:
There's still a few doogs even here who think we'd have won the natty with him in 2016, but overall, agree.chuck said:
Seems like most of that eventually died out anyways. I think that, aside from a few funny doogs and a few unfunny doog website admins, most Lockner fans resigned themselves to simply trying to get his good points acknowledged alongside the bad.DerekJohnson said:It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
With the hypothetical Locker that a hypothetical coach would have brought out? Yeah, I guess. He had the physical talent to carry a team at the highest level.
That hypothetical coach doesn't exist. You can't fix stupid. -
Every possible scenario can and does exist...except this one. I've checked the math.UW_Doog_Bot said:
All I'm saying is that there's a possible world where this scenario could exist...chuck said:
With the Locker any of us ever saw? Haha nodnc said:
There's still a few doogs even here who think we'd have won the natty with him in 2016, but overall, agree.chuck said:
Seems like most of that eventually died out anyways. I think that, aside from a few funny doogs and a few unfunny doog website admins, most Lockner fans resigned themselves to simply trying to get his good points acknowledged alongside the bad.DerekJohnson said:It's not about "bashing" Locker. It's about countering the demiGod status bestowed upon him by the UW athletic department and doogs.
With the hypothetical Locker that a hypothetical coach would have brought out? Yeah, I guess. He had the physical talent to carry a team at the highest level.
That hypothetical coach doesn't exist. You can't fix stupid.
