Johnny Manziel: What Jake Locker could have been...

DerekJohnson

... had Sarkisian not tried to make him into a Dan Marino-style pocket passer.

Jake was every bit the same talent as a runner as Manziel and was bigger and stronger too.

Manziel's Cotton Bowl highlights.

SweatpantsGeneral

Agreed. I remember watching the Syracuse and Boise State games his first year and thinking the sky's the limit....

TierbsHsotBoobs

Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel

Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer.

DerekJohnson

Jake was a much more accurate passer while on the run, than when parked in the pocket. Incidentally, he would still be having the same sub par NFL career regardless.

DeLarry

Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.

pat_hm

If anyone in the NFL had half a brain they would go 0-16 next year, take Johnny football with the first pick in 14' draft and then hire Chip to pop off. SB baby.

PurpleJ

I bumped it because I wanted to bump it

PurpleJ

J?

GrundleStiltzkin

PurpleJ said:

J?

You lying fuck J, you never played sports

PurpleJ

JFF and Masoli are what we would call "co-dependents"

Pitchfork51

Derek may need to gulag himself for this statement

LoneStarDawg

RIP @DeLarry

dnc

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel

Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer.

Boobs please come back d00d, we need you now more than ever!

Meek

DeLarry said:

Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.

i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.

Meek

also at Notre Dame when he threw that straight arm and we lost after fucking up 8 plays in a row at the goal line. That wasn't Jake coming up small in my eyes.

ApostleofGrief

Meek said:

DeLarry said:

Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.

i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.

WTF? "I respect your opinion" on this bored?

pawz

dnc said:

TierbsHsotBoobs said:

Totally disagree. Manziel can actually throw the ball with competence and accuracy:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/517475/johnny-manziel

Jack Lockner was never remotely close to that efficiency as a passer.

Boobs please come back d00d, we need you now more than ever!

i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.

FireCohen

At times like this, its important to remember that no one on this site knows what the fuck they're talking about

chuck

Meek said:

DeLarry said:

Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.

i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.

Agree. He shit the bed against Nebraska twice (they shit it worse the second time). He never really did aside from those games though. He was never a good quarterback, but wasn't any worse in the clutch than out of it. Could be argued that he stepped up a bit.

Sark > Ty statement...Locker came up with more big plays in tight games than our current QB has (anything is more than zero, I know).

dnc

chuck said:

Meek said:

DeLarry said:

Jake was nowhere near the passer Manziel is, on the run or from the pocket. He also seemed to wilt in big situations. Locker, and I liked the guy, more often than not found ways to come up small when it counted.

i respect your opinion, but i actually disagree on this based on Jake keeping us close with Ohio State single handedly, pulling that epic win against USC after he was crushed by Shareece Wright, and a few other games against Oregon, BYU and WSU. I personally think the "stepping up in big games wilting thing" is actually more a product of both Ty completely leaving Jake on his own while the rest of the team boycotted and then the Sark forcing everyone into a system that didn't align with Jake's skills. He rotted with us.

Agree. He shit the bed against Nebraska twice (they shit it worse the second time). He never really did aside from those games though. He was never a good quarterback, but wasn't any worse in the clutch than out of it. Could be argued that he stepped up a bit.

Sark > Ty statement...Locker came up with more big plays in tight games than our current QB has (anything is more than zero, I know).

Agreed. Locker had many issues. Shrinking back from the moment wasn't one of them.

Doogles

Locker Beat USC twice, won the holiday bowl championship, beat Pete, put the team on his back against tOSU, beat BYU before the refs fagged out and gave us Owen.

@byu and Nebraska to start his Heisman campaign were games you could say he didn't rise to the occasion. @BYU was a lot to do with play calling if I recall as well.

Either way im a stalker for Locker and I'll never change so fuck the haters.