Jared Kalinić era begins
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So just like the Griffey era.
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From the perspective of the Mariners, there were only drawing in 9,000 fans before COVID so now they can claim sellouts and plan to have much smaller staffing levels, etc. They're probably making even more money than before COVID.
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New Era New Look Mariners look to be just as shitty as the old look Mariners
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Who?.gifdoogie said:In front of 9000 crazy fans
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Rookie of the Year? -
Wonder how many chicks he banged while in the Show?
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He’s a dork. I don’t see it with him. He sucks until he doesn’t.
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He's going to be fine.RoadDawg55 said:He’s a dork. I don’t see it with him. He sucks until he doesn’t.
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I haven’t bought the hype. I’m a Julio fan tho.dnc said:
He's going to be fine.RoadDawg55 said:He’s a dork. I don’t see it with him. He sucks until he doesn’t.
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He sucks. He will be good for Tampa Bay or the A’s in 2028 for a season. He will hit around .250 with 30+ HR’s for them and go back to being bad when the next time signs him. .147 for this long of a stretch is a really bad sign.
I actually met and talked to a scout for the Angels awhile back and he said he’s overrated and had a shitty attitude. Scouts are wrong all the time, but I thought it was interesting. -
They all suck until they don't. He has dominated his whole life, and is now going through learning to play with a bat jammed up his ass (nttawwt) by ML pitching...typical young guy "hit or die" approach, he will either figure it out, or he won't. I would offer that his "shitty attitude" is a combination of ultra-competitive, super talented, arrogance, utter dis-belief that pitchers can get him out...he is lacking in processing and focusing on what he controls, which is himself. To me, sounds like every big-leaguer, ever. Learn, embrace the suck, or don't.
One of my mentors said in about '89-90 that Edgar would never hit enough to be an everyday bat...I reminded him of that at his retirement party last month... -
He’s going to suck. Another year of this shit and his confidence will be shot.Fishpo31 said:They all suck until they don't. He has dominated his whole life, and is now going through learning to play with a bat jammed up his ass (nttawwt) by ML pitching...typical young guy "hit or die" approach, he will either figure it out, or he won't. I would offer that his "shitty attitude" is a combination of ultra-competitive, super talented, arrogance, utter dis-belief that pitchers can get him out...he is lacking in processing and focusing on what he controls, which is himself. To me, sounds like every big-leaguer, ever. Learn, embrace the suck, or don't.
One of my mentors said in about '89-90 that Edgar would never hit enough to be an everyday bat...I reminded him of that at his retirement party last month...
I’m banking on Julio. Not Kelenic. A .150 average isn’t typically the start of a Greta career. He’s had close to a half season. Not a tiny sample size. -
When young guys get called up, they get pretty much heaters center-cut, and do OK with that, and everyone gets excited. After about a month, the "book" is created, and they start getting pitched to the holes in the swing. Some adjust sooner, some later, some never. Trout hit .220, Justin Turner and Max Muncy were released, Chris Taylor was an after-thought in a trade (Yes, I follow the Dodgers).
Most of these guys don't become who they are (AKA, figure it out, or not) until they are in their mid 20's or so. Give up too soon (David Ortiz) or too late (Dustin Ackley), and I give you the Seattle Mariners. -
I get that, but .150 for half a season can’t be defended. It’s going to take a lot of improvement for him to hit .250. You are fooling yourself if you say this isn’t concerning to his long term prospects of being a good player.Fishpo31 said:When young guys get called up, they get pretty much heaters center-cut, and do OK with that, and everyone gets excited. After about a month, the "book" is created, and they start getting pitched to the holes in the swing. Some adjust sooner, some later, some never. Trout hit .220, Justin Turner and Max Muncy were released, Chris Taylor was an after-thought in a trade (Yes, I follow the Dodgers).
Most of these guys don't become who they are (AKA, figure it out, or not) until they are in their mid 20's or so. Give up too soon (David Ortiz) or too late (Dustin Ackley), and I give you the Seattle Mariners.
The “he will be fine” stuff is bullshit. I don’t think many actually believe that beyond wanting to be optimistic. This is beyond early struggles. This is worst regular in the league. -
What I see is an inability to adjust to what pitchers are doing to him, and is making him grind harder, in the negative. When you chase hits, you chase pitches. It is a lot more mental than physical for him. Flaws appear, and are exposed. It's about the ability to make adjustments, from pitch to pitch, for a 22 year-old that has dominated his whole life. The game is too fast for him right now, and he must learn to slow it down, and that takes time. My wife's nephew got called up about a month ago to the Red Sox, and he's going through the same shit.
I'm not saying "he will be fine", I have no idea, and there are plenty of historical flame-outs to point to. What I am saying is that his physical tools cannot be taught; a solid approach to hitting can. It takes time. I also know, from experience with both, that telling a high-strung, competitive baseball player to "relax" when they are struggling produces results similar to telling your wife (or any woman) to "relax" when they are pissed.
The key to learning is to fail, get humbled, and re-calibrate...he's got the first two boxes checked, in spades.
He will get every opportunity because of his tools...I hope he figures it out. -
Sat right behind the Mariners dugout when the Jays were in town a few weeks ago and this kid was meat. Looked totally out of his shoes up there….
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Doing a lot better now though
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Kelenic seems to have figured some things out. He's not a write off yet Roadie!
Most elite baseball players are douche bags until they get a little older. He definitely seems to be with the majority. -
I love Kelenic.
He's going to be very good. -
Julio is wearing clogged chains with J-Rod in diamonds hanging off it and I think he will be a superstar. I don’t dislike Kelenic for being a douchebag. I dislike him because he hasn’t produced and was one of the worst regular’s in the league for most of this season.chuck said:Kelenic seems to have figured some things out. He's not a write off yet Roadie!
Most elite baseball players are douche bags until they get a little older. He definitely seems to be with the majority.
Kelenic is doing better. I fully admit it’s too early to make a real judgement, but I don’t think he’s a future star. I’ll be happy if he’s a solid regular and worth 2-3 wins per year. -
Totally agree Julio's the superstar.RoadDawg55 said:
Julio is wearing clogged chains with J-Rod in diamonds hanging off it and I think he will be a superstar. I don’t dislike Kelenic for being a douchebag. I dislike him because he hasn’t produced and was one of the worst regular’s in the league for most of this season.chuck said:Kelenic seems to have figured some things out. He's not a write off yet Roadie!
Most elite baseball players are douche bags until they get a little older. He definitely seems to be with the majority.
Kelenic is doing better. I fully admit it’s too early to make a real judgement, but I don’t think he’s a future star. I’ll be happy if he’s a solid regular and worth 2-3 wins per year.
I think Kelenic's more a mostly healthy Mitch Haniger than a superstar but that's better than 2-3 wins a year. -
You might have misread me. I was just making an observation about baseball players, not addressing anything specific you had said.RoadDawg55 said:
Julio is wearing clogged chains with J-Rod in diamonds hanging off it and I think he will be a superstar. I don’t dislike Kelenic for being a douchebag. I dislike him because he hasn’t produced and was one of the worst regular’s in the league for most of this season.chuck said:Kelenic seems to have figured some things out. He's not a write off yet Roadie!
Most elite baseball players are douche bags until they get a little older. He definitely seems to be with the majority.
Kelenic is doing better. I fully admit it’s too early to make a real judgement, but I don’t think he’s a future star. I’ll be happy if he’s a solid regular and worth 2-3 wins per year.
I agree with the Haniger projection. Kelenic has more potential than that as a hitter, but he won't realize it because Seattle. That's still pretty good though. -
Jump on M’s bandwagon now. Hawks, Huskies are on the downturn. I find myself more invested in this team since they have prospects I have watched come up through college or earlier.
1b- Evan white. If healthy and he can hit decent. May play vs rhp only
2b. Toro
SS Crawford
3b France. Have to have his bat in there
C- Raleigh. Murphy a disaster
LF Julio
CF kelenic
RF Haniger
DH Lewis
Gilbert, Flexen, Gonzalez, Brash, Kirby.
Adding Semien would be amazing but probably pipe dream. -
Why would White only play against RHP?steelheader2 said:Jump on M’s bandwagon now. Hawks, Huskies are on the downturn. I find myself more invested in this team since they have prospects I have watched come up through college or earlier.
1b- Evan white. If healthy and he can hit decent. May play vs rhp only
2b. Toro
SS Crawford
3b France. Have to have his bat in there
C- Raleigh. Murphy a disaster
LF Julio
CF kelenic
RF Haniger
DH Lewis
Gilbert, Flexen, Gonzalez, Brash, Kirby.
Adding Semien would be amazing but probably pipe dream.
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And that's a mediocre team. They have to add at least two star level players (probably one bat and one starter) if they're going to seriously compete.
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My bad. Meant vs lhp for White.dnc said:
Why would White only play against RHP?steelheader2 said:Jump on M’s bandwagon now. Hawks, Huskies are on the downturn. I find myself more invested in this team since they have prospects I have watched come up through college or earlier.
1b- Evan white. If healthy and he can hit decent. May play vs rhp only
2b. Toro
SS Crawford
3b France. Have to have his bat in there
C- Raleigh. Murphy a disaster
LF Julio
CF kelenic
RF Haniger
DH Lewis
Gilbert, Flexen, Gonzalez, Brash, Kirby.
Adding Semien would be amazing but probably pipe dream.
You aware he bats right?dnc said:
Why would White only play against RHP?steelheader2 said:Jump on M’s bandwagon now. Hawks, Huskies are on the downturn. I find myself more invested in this team since they have prospects I have watched come up through college or earlier.
1b- Evan white. If healthy and he can hit decent. May play vs rhp only
2b. Toro
SS Crawford
3b France. Have to have his bat in there
C- Raleigh. Murphy a disaster
LF Julio
CF kelenic
RF Haniger
DH Lewis
Gilbert, Flexen, Gonzalez, Brash, Kirby.
Adding Semien would be amazing but probably pipe dream.
You aware he bats right? -
France is a bad fielder at 3B so Toro will go to 3B and they will sign a FA for 2nd base. Ideally White wins the 1B job and France spells him there while manning the DH. If White can't hit enough, then France is a decent enough fielder there.
So my plan would be to sign LHP Eduardo Rodriguez and 2B / UTL Chris Taylor to multi-year deals. I'd also kick the tires on Justin Verlander, if he checks out maybe he'd accept a 1 year deal at $15 million with a mutual option at $25 million for 2023.
I'm not sure who will receive qualifying offers or if Kikuchi will free up $13 million by not exercising his 1 year option.
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Evan White sucks.steelheader2 said:Jump on M’s bandwagon now. Hawks, Huskies are on the downturn. I find myself more invested in this team since they have prospects I have watched come up through college or earlier.
1b- Evan white. If healthy and he can hit decent. May play vs rhp only
2b. Toro
SS Crawford
3b France. Have to have his bat in there
C- Raleigh. Murphy a disaster
LF Julio
CF kelenic
RF Haniger
DH Lewis
Gilbert, Flexen, Gonzalez, Brash, Kirby.
Adding Semien would be amazing but probably pipe dream.
