Save the Pac?
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1. You live in Vancouverhaie said:
We don't agree on all this, and that's fine.AtomicDawg said:
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.haie said:
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.whatshouldicareabout said:
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14ntxduck said:No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.Canadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
2. You really need to get out and travel and go to some games outside the pac12 -
1. False.ntxduck said:
1. You live in Vancouverhaie said:
We don't agree on all this, and that's fine.AtomicDawg said:
Why would it be amazing? It would still be a shit conference all things considered.haie said:
That's my point. Pac 12 will stand still and watch the Big 12 try to be relevant without Texas and Oklahoma. Who gives a fuck, they sucked before this and they'll suck after this.whatshouldicareabout said:
Big 12 will raid AAC, probably picking up SMU and Houston. Probably won't get adventurous, but if they do, BYU, Boise State, SDSU, and UNLV offer new markets and would put them at 14ntxduck said:No expansion without a guarantee one division would be the pac8. Put the Arizona and mountain schools in the other division with whatever 4 shitheads get added.
But the real answer imho
Oregon should jump ship. They suck ass academically and don't fit within anything but the SEC who is also
Last October it was "rumored" by the shitty Twitter sites (not looking for clicks at all) that SC was going to go independent and Utah was going to go Big 12. The same fear/peapatch porn takes were touted then too.Canadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Reality: all of the schools, including Oregon, bowed down to Stanford and played the 4-7 game preseason shit show.
Reality: the Big 12 is the shittiest, most awkward Power 5 conference full of schools that don't move the needle academically, nor on the field. This is why UT and OU are thinking about leaving.
I hope they do try and take Utah and Colorado from us. Fuck those schools.
Pac 10 with no divisions would be amazing.
The ACC bores me outside of Miami. And they're more depressing than any former power.
The SEC bores the living fuck out of me, just a bunch of schools with 0 identity outside "it just means more". It's decent when a random school like Kentucky is good but Bama just feasts on everyone and waits for their playoff invite. I don't even watch the iron bowl, nor the marquee A&M matchup with them. 8 games and then just 🧁? JFC. Snoozefest league.
I watch a few B1G games when Pac 12 isn't on, but I mean wgaf about truck stop schools. Their last interesting season was 2016 when they had 3-4 schools in the mix. Last year the second best team was who? Indiana? Completely overrated conference.
The Big 12. lol. Red River Shootout! TCU! Kansas State. Kill me.
Pac 12 has the best parity, the schools are all completely different. No one has been able to monopolize it like the other power 5's, which is a strong indicator that all the schools are trying with the resources they have. They aren't just propping up SC and Oregon for a bigger payout. Other dynamics of the league makes it the most interesting conference, for me. Outside of 2% City the locations are more attractive to travel to. I don't need to go to shitty little college towns in a flat earth, poorer than shit region of the country.
2. You really need to get out and travel and go to some games outside the pac12
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That's not how tv works. If there are PAC teams in Texas then the PAC games will be on TV in texasntxduck said:
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are atCanadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east. -
West Texas is its own market and nothing like San Antonio Austin Houston Dallas.Canadawg said:
That's not how tv works. If there are PAC teams in Texas then the PAC games will be on TV in texasntxduck said:
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are atCanadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Tech has very little influence on the major markets.
Just because a game is on doesn’t mean ppl watch. Networks know this also. -
This isn’t the 1998 abc regional coverage era. Every game is on tv if you want to watch it.Canadawg said:
That's not how tv works. If there are PAC teams in Texas then the PAC games will be on TV in texasntxduck said:
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are atCanadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east. -
"Recruiting footprint." Are you kidding me!? Two top-10 players from withing 30 miles of campus just went to school 2400 miles away. A bigger recruiting footprint just means a bigger area from which kids can LEAVE to go play in the SEC.
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In 2007, Jen Cohen reached out at Woodward's behest.Gladstone said:meh
First and foremost on Jen's mind: Game Day experience.
The Zone, Jen was jazzed about the Metropolitan Steakhouse booth that would serve steak sandwiches, the cheerleaders walking through the zone pumping up the fans pre-game. Everything was a funnel to encourage the fans move to their seats before kick-off. The players running out of the tunnel to Jimmy Hendrix!
ZERO discussion of the product on the field. ZERO!
Got to hear about her fateful meeting with Don James as a young girl.
Her thoughts spoke volumes and represents the Pac12 mindset -
The fact that I have to stream half the husky games tells me this isn't truentxduck said:
This isn’t the 1998 abc regional coverage era. Every game is on tv if you want to watch it.Canadawg said:
That's not how tv works. If there are PAC teams in Texas then the PAC games will be on TV in texasntxduck said:
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are atCanadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east. -
Fair enough you may be right but adding TCU would solve thatAtomicDawg said:
West Texas is its own market and nothing like San Antonio Austin Houston Dallas.Canadawg said:
That's not how tv works. If there are PAC teams in Texas then the PAC games will be on TV in texasntxduck said:
Texas tech is more in the New Mexico footprint than where the Texas blue chips are atCanadawg said:All of the geographic issues with the PAC are also its strengths in situations like this. You think USC would ever have balls to pull a Texas move? I dont.
In 2020 over 15% of the blue chips came from the existing PAC footprint. Keep in mind there are less than 20% of the total P5 teams in the PAC. Obviously the conference needs to keep them out west but ill ignore that for the moment.
If the PAC adds okie state and for instance TexTech that would immediately open up another over 15% of the total blue chips in Texas to the footprint.
If the PAC adds no one I don't think it will drastically be negative. If they add the Texas footprint they could come out in a decent situation compared to the BIG and ACC. This is obviously moot if there is some kind of super conference (dissolving the ACC) put together out east.
Tech has very little influence on the major markets.
Just because a game is on doesn’t mean ppl watch. Networks know this also.
