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It’s not REAL socialism though
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It came in early in the thread primarily because of what is currently going on in Cuba.Rubberfist said:
That wasn’t the argument at all. The original post was about “real” socialism and had Italy, Greece and Spain. In fact Cuba wasn’t even part of the original argument.SFGbob said:
You might be able to make the argument that Cuba has more difficulty getting things like farm equipment and certain types of medical equipment because of the embargo but it has nothing to do with why the shelves of the grocery stores are always empty and why there is always shortages for things like toilet paper and meat. Kobe as usual has his head up his ass.trublue said:
“ . . . because their nomenklatura (pigs at the top) take their cut/slice of the pie first. The citizens of Cuba get to fight over the leftovers/scraps.SFGbob said:
They trade with nearly every other country on the planet. They have shortages because of their shitty government and economic system.TheKobeStopper said:Impose sanctions.
Cause shortages.
Finger wag about socialism.
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You jumped in. Own it.
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Aka "We have no fucking idea how these other countries systems work but we know we hate America so they MUST be better."Rubberfist said:
The grand majority of the Left in the US would prefer European style “socialism.” Are you against that?RoadTrip said:
You're too stupid to understand, in many cases, these countries are more capitalist than the CSA today.Rubberfist said:Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.
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https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2021/07/12/cuba-communists-issue-order-of-combat-against-peaceful-protesters/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20210712
Why we have guns and they don't. Founders knew. They had just fought a war against the greatest military power of the time. And won! -
That's why gun control is important to the left. You think they really care about black lives?Sledog said:https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2021/07/12/cuba-communists-issue-order-of-combat-against-peaceful-protesters/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=daily&utm_campaign=20210712
Why we have guns and they don't. Founders knew. They had just fought a war against the greatest military power of the time. And won! -
The American media goes silent on the killing in the streets in Cuba by government goons just like they did in Hong Kong
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Absolutely communists! They really have infiltrated our nation effectively.RaceBannon said:The American media goes silent on the killing in the streets in Cuba by government goons just like they did in Hong Kong
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Imagine that you are part of the US MSM and you think you are the good guys. Is there a Tug leftard who has any degree of real education?RaceBannon said:The American media goes silent on the killing in the streets in Cuba by government goons just like they did in Hong Kong
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If they feature extremely small governments and the social safety net is run by privatized companies, I would be open to the idea. Eventually, the notion needs to be honestly discussed as one day life could be pretty simple for most human beings.Rubberfist said:
The grand majority of the Left in the US would prefer European style “socialism.” Are you against that?RoadTrip said:
You're too stupid to understand, in many cases, these countries are more capitalist than the CSA today.Rubberfist said:Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.
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All the US needs to do is find a benevolent world hegemon to subsidize our own defense and keep peace in the world and boom! Social safety nets paid for.Rubberfist said:Now do Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Canada, France and Switzerland.
Onto what we can learn from Europe Per your request:
Germany – Literally paying for the rest of the EU’s socialism at the expense of the German Taxpayer. Lulz
Sweden – Has moved away from “social democracy” and liberalized markets after their own “great society” failures. Fastest growing income inequality in Europe btw. Also, every household has a gun. I’ll take that part.
Netherlands – One of the highest and most progressive tax rates. One of the MOST unequal societies on the face of the Earth. Just another of the 1,000+ examples of the failure of progressivism to “redistribute” wealth and make “equality”.
Denmark – Literally has no minimum wage. Ok!
Norway – Essentially a Northern member of the United Arab Emirates. Ranked #7 for ease of business as well.
Austria – Home to the Austrian school of Economics. I’m completely on board with taking Hayek’s advice on how to manage our economy. Are you?
Canada – A healthcare system that literally doesn’t function without the relief valve of their southern neighbor’s healthcare system being within driving distance. Don’t believe me? Why is the US one of the top medical tourism destinations in the World? I’ll give you a hint what the primary driver of that is.
France – Anemic growth, public unions that light people on fire over benefits, alternating between providing and needing subsidized by other EU members. We too could have all of this and maintain a super low economic mobility score of a class society!
Switzerland – Also lots of guns, also literally the black bank of the world. I guess the US should just become the world’s money launderer to subsidize health care?
Pretty much all “universal healthcare” is “rationed healthcare” where the government decides who gets scarce resources. This means lines and bureaucratic death panels unless of course, you are well connected or a government official. We all know how meritorious government employment and promotion is.
School choice is pretty much the singular highest correlated variable in all of the European countries that outperform the US in education. Sounds good!
All of Europe was suffering from terrible economic growth BEFORE the pandemic and we were looking at the potential 2nd death of the European Union, negative interest rates, bailouts, etc. during a global growth period. The European Model!
