Immigration: Something I have been wondering...

MikeDamone said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

AZDuck said:

This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.

Chavez was a U.S. born citizen. And was not happy with illegals.

Yeah, but still.

Swaye said:

I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

AZDuck said:

This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals a bit. Kind of funny, cause I'm pretty much Hispanic myself... but whatever.

The multicultural thesis never seems to work very well with groups that don't want to assimilate. Folks that emigrate to America or Europe and want to become Americans or Europeans do well, and are eventually absorbed. People and groups that don't want to melt into the melting pot tend to fracture off into ghettoes and become the focus of ethnic strife.

Also, too, the "Aztlan" movement proposes more or less the reconquest of the American southwest via demography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlán

I'm not fond of the racists on either side of this one. Mexicans who come to the United States willing to assimilate and prosper within our culture I generally welcome. Americans who want to keep all the dirty beaners out I despise. Mexicans who want to turn the Southwest into Aztlan I also despise.

American culture used to be pretty good at assimilation. It doesn't appear to be working that well right now with Mexicans in California especially. The fact that several hundred billion gringo dollars have been sent back to Mexico in the past 15 years speaks of that failure.

That said, if Our President had an elderly Mexican son, he'd look a lot like Cesar Chavez.

Back 100 years ago, an Eye-talian would come to New Jersey or whereever, and that was pretty much it. Phones weren't real prevalent, they were usually poor (sound familiar?), and it cost a lot to take a boat back home. So they were cut off. They had to try and make it and assimilate.

Now you have border jumpers who want to keep one foot in the EE UU and one foot in Mexico. If they're from a northern part of Mexico and live in the southern part of a southern border state, it's pretty easy to cross. It's not uncommon for a family living here to take off to Nogales Sonora or Hermosillo for a week or two (or more). It's kind of a problem when the kids miss a bunch of school and get behind...but hey, let's blame the teacher's unions for that..sorry, couldn't resist...

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Swaye said:

I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.

Is it cool if people send money home to their relatives in Ukraine? What about Cambodia? Are people allowed to give money away to others as they see fit? Or is that not cool?

We get plenty of piñata over there, by the way. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for an American to invest their money in a business in Mexico, and vice versa.

oregonblitzkrieg said:

PurpleJ said:

oregonblitzkrieg said:

Swaye said:

I have often wondered how so many Mexicans coming to our country affects Mexico. Does anyone know? It would seem like you wouldn't want your labor force migrating to another country by the tens of thousands, but I lived in Texas for years and never saw any Mexican border patrol trying to do anything about them leaving. Does Mexico want them to leave? If so (or not), how will this affect them in the long term. I assume Mexico has a very high birth rate, so perhaps they have all the unskilled labor they need. I thought someone linked something showing Mexico has a surprisingly good economy (or at least better than I expected).

Anyway, I just wonder what Mexico thinks about millions of their people leaving. Thoughts? Facts? Bueller?

It's probably a great boon for them. These Mexicans send most of their money back to Mexico to support their families. As usual, Mexico wins and we're their willing pinata.

Is it cool if people send money home to their relatives in Ukraine? What about Cambodia? Are people allowed to give money away to others as they see fit? Or is that not cool?

We get plenty of piñata over there, by the way. Believe it or not, it is actually possible for an American to invest their money in a business in Mexico, and vice versa.

You're denser than a fucking Redwood tree.

There's that GOP war on the environment again.