Kobe claims he was taught the following in school

MikeDamone said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

What on earth are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

Oh, this shit.

I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.

You should care about what Africa did. Africans weren’t enslaved because they were black, they were enslaved because they were available. The south took advantage of that to fill their labor shortage. For several decades in colonial America free Africans weren’t treated as inferior and had the same social and economic status as other people in the colonies. The racialization of Africans, free and enslaved started in the late 1600’s

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

What on earth are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

Oh, this shit.

I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.

PurpleThrobber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

What on earth are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

Oh, this shit.

I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.

There is no American alive who participated in slavery.

There is no American alive who was a slave.

Fuck off.

RaceBannon said:

TheKobeStopper said:

PurpleThrobber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

TurdBomber said:

TheKobeStopper said:

Tequilla said:

I spent a ton of time reading and learning about the Civil War as a teenager ...

You can’t separate the issues of the late 1850s and leading into the Civil War time period without slavery being a massive issue.

To say it was the only issue though is missing the point a bit.

The Northern states at that point were far more industrial and the South far more agriculturally based. Trying to find common ground was virtually impossible. Slavery obviously the most focal part of the disagreements.

Then far more than now the importance of State’s rights was a paramount issue. To understand that you have to understand the principles as to how the nation was founded and why certain separations and protections were built in to ensure states had influence to keep the federal government from overstepping.

For those that need perspective, understand that Robert E. Lee made his decision on which side to serve on based on the direction of his state. Times have changed obviously.

We also need to understand the lessons of history. We have evolved throughout history but basic principles remain. Knowing how to avoid those pitfalls matters. As a country, we’d be well served right now to understand lessons of the past.

One side betrayed their country and fought a war, that killed 2% of the population, to own human beings. Your centrist “well if you look at both sides” bullshit is not necessary.

I don’t know why they didn’t hold hands, sing kumbaya and drop bombs on foreign countries to settle it like moderates. But sometimes you have to actually fight evil and not just hate both extremes (owning slaves and not owning slaves being the “extremes” in this example”).

Which was more evil, @TheKobeStopper: Capturing slaves who look just like you and selling them? Or buying them?

I'm sure it's painful to look at both sides, but weren't both sides deeply involved in that evil?

What on earth are you talking about?

What I'm talking about is your complete white-washing of one side of the transatlantic slave trade. Most slaves were not actually "sold into slavery." They were already slaves for rival tribes on their home continent, captured in battle, after defeat or just for the fuck of it by more powerful tribesman who didn't want to do the grunt work required to survive in Africa at the time.

It's funny how you never mention the Walmart angle while chronically bitching about the immorality and evils of the men who shopped there. It's almost as if you're a willfully ignorant shill with gaping holes in your logic and argument.

Care to discuss the Barbary Pirates sometime? Course not, you fucking ignorant hypocrite.

Oh, this shit.

I don’t give a fuck what Africa did, I care what America did. I’m American, America first.

Your desperation to excuse the actions of Americans because “other people did it too” is pathetic. You guys never shut the fuck about personal responsibility when it’s teenagers selling drugs but oh my god the slave owners deserve context.

There is no American alive who participated in slavery.

There is no American alive who was a slave.

Fuck off.

And ya’ll still out here defending them.

Link?

Nice Hilary accent btw