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Or we could spend 80 billion so far on a train to nowhere

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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,082 Standard Supporter
    WestlinnDuck said:

    Goduckies said:

    SFGbob said:

    Goduckies said:

    trublue said:

    Expanding Amtrak is “Building Back Better” . . . “Biggest bang for the buck we can expend(?).”

    OMG

    Insanity prevails . . .

    I am a fan of expanding Amtrak, it can be done fairly cheaply compared to building HSR... but the California HSR is just stupid
    Why? It's a fucking boondoggle that wouldn't survive without Federal subsidies. Train travel is slow and unreliable. If they market doesn't support it why should the government?
    My reason for support is that not everyone likes to fly and if you took away the support for airlines from the feds they would fail too.
    What support for the airlines - pre chicom

    Airports get billions a year plus the flight dispatchers
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    edited May 2021


    Pretty sure the airlines pay for a good portion of the air traffic control costs.
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,082 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2021
    They pay some, but no billions and billions are spent every year on it. And then add essential sir service and it is way more than rail gets
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,082 Standard Supporter
    edited May 2021
    Now I would be happy to have Amtrak looked at there are major issues with the organization due to the unions... Chicago yard puts out trains that are a mess sometimes. I would prefer a public private partnership.
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  • trublue
    trublue Member Posts: 3,042
    You prefer rail to flying?
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,082 Standard Supporter
    trublue said:

    You prefer rail to flying?

    I do both.... if I need to be in a hurry I fly but if not I take the train
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  • Fire_Marshall_Bill
    Fire_Marshall_Bill Member Posts: 26,146 Standard Supporter
    There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.

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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,680
    Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

    There are probably six or seven areas where it makes sense, NE Megablobulous, in the Midwest between KC and Columbus Ohio, Texas triangle, FL, Seattle-Portland-Vancouver. I don't know about California. It's 400 miles from LA to Gay Area. It takes billions to build the high speed train and improve the tracks and general infrastructure.

    Phoenix to tucson maybe. Just flat desert.

    But then again no one wants the tucson trash
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,082 Standard Supporter
    La to Vegas makes sense too... Texas as well...
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  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,844 Swaye's Wigwam
    By air is always so nice for travel - crammed into an aluminum tube with a big fat person next to you that hasn't bathed in 3 days. Love it
    Train stations are always in the nicer parts of towns, when your train gets in at 2 AM after a 16 hour delay, it is fun trying to find a cab or an Uber driver that speaks Engrish.

    So when I travel I always take the Bus. Love the smell of piss and farts - that is just trying to get into the bus station.

    Travel has gotten to be so much fun in the past decade
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