Nagursky/Outland Watch List
The watch lists continue to roll out, with the Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) announcing its 81-player preseason watch list for the Bronco Nagurski Trophy, which is awarded annually by the FWAA to whom they feel is the nation’s top defensive player.
Washington is one of two teams (Stanford is the other) to land four players on the watch list: OLB Hau’oli Kikaha, CB Marcus Peters, DT Danny Shelton and LB Shaq Thompson.
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Loaded on D.
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Hopefully there's just enough edgy players left for CP.Swaye said:Loaded on D.
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When was the last time we had 4 dudes (out of 81 nationally) on this list? Damn. That's pretty well stacked. I bet over at Doogfarm some idiot is talking about how young we are, and that we need more time.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Hopefully there's just enough edgy players left for CP.Swaye said:Loaded on D.
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Washington is one of two teams (Stanford is the other) to land four players on the watch list:
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Comparing the front 7 of 2014 to 2000. 2000 Depth chart: http://www.gohuskies.com/fls/30200/old_site/pdf/m-footbl/2000-depthchart.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=30200
DE: Kikaha/ Roberson, Julian Edge: 2014
DT: E. Hudson/ Tripplet Edge: 2000
NT: Shelton/ Hatem Edge: 2014
DE/OLB: Littleton/ Pharms Edge: 2000
OLB: Feeney/ Kelley Edge: 2014
MLB: Timu/ Daniels Edge: 2000
OLB: Shaq/ Williams Edge: 2014
I would say the front 7 is better now than in 2000. Kikaha and Littleton is a far superior pass rushing combo to Pharms and Roberson. The DT's are a close call. I give a slight edge to Tripplet over Shelton because of the plays he made in opposing backfields. I like Shelton, but he's never dominated like Tripplet did in 2000 against Miami and Colorado. He won us the game against Colorado. He also had the huge play against Oregon State. I will take the playmaking DT over a massive run stopper, especially in college football. Tripplet makes it a tough call, but I think the 2014 DL is slightly better overall.
The 2014 LB's are far superior to 2000. Daniels is probably a tad better than Timu (at least more consistent). The other two are no contest. The depth of this year's team should be better too. On the DL we have Andrew Hudson, Mathis, Farria, and Qualls. At LB, I've heard Berria is a stud and I know the coaches like Victor and O'Brien too.
Swaye is right. The defense is loaded. If we can get even average DB play, and we already have an All conference CB, this defense can be very good. More_Time and some others will be rubbing it in that we got better on defense once Wilcox left. The secondary might not even be bad, it's just inexperienced. Having 4 dreckfest non conference games is perfect to get that group some confidence. -
The 2000 defense was far from great.RoadDawg55 said:Comparing the front 7 of 2014 to 2000. 2000 Depth chart: http://www.gohuskies.com/fls/30200/old_site/pdf/m-footbl/2000-depthchart.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=30200
DE: Kikaha/ Roberson, Julian Edge: 2014
DT: E. Hudson/ Tripplet Edge: 2000
NT: Shelton/ Hatem Edge: 2014
DE/OLB: Littleton/ Pharms Edge: 2000
OLB: Feeney/ Kelley Edge: 2014
MLB: Timu/ Daniels Edge: 2000
OLB: Shaq/ Williams Edge: 2014
I would say the front 7 is better now than in 2000. Kikaha and Littleton is a far superior pass rushing combo to Pharms and Roberson. The DT's are a close call. I give a slight edge to Tripplet over Shelton because of the plays he made in opposing backfields. I like Shelton, but he's never dominated like Tripplet did in 2000 against Miami and Colorado. He won us the game against Colorado. He also had the huge play against Oregon State. I will take the playmaking DT over a massive run stopper, especially in college football. Tripplet makes it a tough call, but I think the 2014 DL is slightly better overall.
The 2014 LB's are far superior to 2000. Daniels is probably a tad better than Timu (at least more consistent). The other two are no contest. The depth of this year's team should be better too. On the DL we have Andrew Hudson, Mathis, Farria, and Qualls. At LB, I've heard Berria is a stud and I know the coaches like Victor and O'Brien too.
Swaye is right. The defense is loaded. If we can get even average DB play, and we already have an All conference CB, this defense can be very good. More_Time and some others will be rubbing it in that we got better on defense once Wilcox left. The secondary might not even be bad, it's just inexperienced. Having 4 dreckfest non conference games is perfect to get that group some confidence.
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As Road says, rock solid front 7 (overall), and while the back 4 are inexperienced, they are anchored by one of the best CB's in the Pac-12.
OL might not be a steamroll group, but they should at least be decent, and above average with good coaching...if Kasen comes back okay, and we get good production out of Miles, no reason not to expect 10+ wins this year.
We have good to very good talent (more on D than O) and great leadership/coaching for the first time in 20 years. 10 wins minimum or gtfo. -
2000 defense was better. Akbar,#25, Vonture (best corner on earth if not for hearing voices in his helmet), Trip, Darrell Daniels, Pharms . Solid front to back. '14 only a little better up front because of Kikamora. Littleton just goes through the motions (pick any game from last year and watch...he's consistently inconsistant) Even Shaq was consistently inconsistent. Nez Perce Johnny still overruns and slips off every tackle.
Darrell Daniels tackled everything he touched, and if he happened to miss, #25 and Akbar would arrive for a beheading. Shaq should have stayed at safety. He'd be a 1st round pick after this year and our defense would have no questions going into next year. Feeney is an honors candidate just for discussion. -
Ok..that made me laughpuppylove_sugarsteel said:2000 defense was better. Akbar,#25, Vonture (best corner on earth if not for hearing voices in his helmet), Trip, Darrell Daniels, Pharms . Solid front to back. '14 only a little better up front because of Kikamora. Littleton just goes through the motions (pick any game from last year and watch...he's consistently inconsistant) Even Shaq was consistently inconsistent. Nez Perce Johnny still overruns and slips off every tackle.
Darrell Daniels tackled everything he touched, and if he happened to miss, #25 and Akbar would arrive for a beheading. Shaq should have stayed at safety. He'd be a 1st round pick after this year and our defense would have no questions going into next year. Feeney is an honors candidate just for discussion.
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lol at Kikamorapuppylove_sugarsteel said:2000 defense was better. Akbar,#25, Vonture (best corner on earth if not for hearing voices in his helmet), Trip, Darrell Daniels, Pharms . Solid front to back. '14 only a little better up front because of Kikamora. Littleton just goes through the motions (pick any game from last year and watch...he's consistently inconsistant) Even Shaq was consistently inconsistent. Nez Perce Johnny still overruns and slips off every tackle.
Darrell Daniels tackled everything he touched, and if he happened to miss, #25 and Akbar would arrive for a beheading. Shaq should have stayed at safety. He'd be a 1st round pick after this year and our defense would have no questions going into next year. Feeney is an honors candidate just for discussion. -
The strength of the 2000 defense was the secondary which was solid but not spectacular. The 2014 defense definitely has the potential to be far more dominant.
I have high expectations for the secondary. Peters is a AA candidate. Every other DB we have back there may be young, but is highly recruited/regarded. Not only do you have the 4 game dreckfest to start the season, but that's followed up by the running game of Stanford (where the biggest challenge for the young DBs will be playing assignment football and not trying to do too much) and Cal before having to face Oregon. By the time you're 6 games into a season, you've lost a lot of the "youth element."
I also don't see how the offense won't at least be decent. The OL in 2000 was solid but not spectacular ... which is how I see the 2014 line given its experience and track record so far. Big edge at QB obviously in 2000. RB would be a wash. We'll have better WRs this year and the 2000 team had a better TE.
And then when it comes to coaching, I think you have to give the edge to Petersen.
I'm not saying that we're going to go to the Rose Bowl, you'd be twisting if you thought that I was saying that, but this team compares to the 2000 team in a number of areas. There's no reason for there not to be an expectation of success this year. -
As Tequilla suggests though, the QB situation vs 2000 is basically laughable. I don't care how good Miles is, he won't be Tui. But, our schedule sets up well...blah blah blah...10+ or gtfo.
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I have expectations ... we're fucking Warshington damnitSwaye said:As Tequilla suggests though, the QB situation vs 2000 is basically laughable. I don't care how good Miles is, he won't be Tui. But, our schedule sets up well...blah blah blah...
10+11+ or gtfo. -
Dialed inpuppylove_sugarsteel said:2000 defense was better. Akbar,#25, Vonture (best corner on earth if not for hearing voices in his helmet), Trip, Darrell Daniels, Pharms . Solid front to back. '14 only a little better up front because of Kikamora. Littleton just goes through the motions (pick any game from last year and watch...he's consistently inconsistant) Even Shaq was consistently inconsistent. Nez Perce Johnny still overruns and slips off every tackle.
Darrell Daniels tackled everything he touched, and if he happened to miss, #25 and Akbar would arrive for a beheading. Shaq should have stayed at safety. He'd be a 1st round pick after this year and our defense would have no questions going into next year. Feeney is an honors candidate just for discussion. -
The 2000 secondary was very good. Akbar and Williams were a great combo at safety. Akbar played a few years in the NFL and Curtis Williams probably would have too if not for the injury. Omare Lowe was a junior at CB. He was a solid player and was drafted in the NFL. Roc Alexander and Derrick Johnson were freshmen, but they played in the NFL too. That's 4 NFL players and Curtis Williams. There was nobody that was truly elite, but all of those guys were very good college players.
Edit: Forgot about Vontoure. He only played half the season, but he was really good too. He was one of the best players on the team in 99. -
New coach. Gonna be tough. Seems Ty like. Don't be a twister. I said Ty like not like Ty.
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Let's be real guys the strength of the 2000 defense was Tui. Tui with the ball controlled offense limited possessions for our defense to fuck it up.
Only reason we are remembering fondly of that defense because compared to the past decade of dreck they look like the 1991 defense. However, at the time we didn't want the game to come down to them.
There is a reason why Tui had to have so many comebacks as a few times the D let us down(at stanford, arizona, Oregon State come to mind). -
You mean DJ. ILTCHDJ.RoadDawg55 said:The 2000 secondary was very good. Akbar and Williams were a great combo at safety. Akbar played a few years in the NFL and Curtis Williams probably would have too if not for the injury. Omare Lowe was a junior at CB. He was a solid player and was drafted in the NFL. Roc Alexander and Derrick Johnson were freshmen, but they played in the NFL too. That's 4 NFL players and Curtis Williams. There was nobody that was truly elite, but all of those guys were very good college players.
Edit: Forgot about Vontoure. He only played half the season, but he was really good too. He was one of the best players on the team in 99.
The talent on that defense was great but the performance was not. They did not play up to the sum of their parts. As one data poont they were just 4th in the conference in points per game. Good but not great. -
That's not even the biggest gap IMO though. Tui was great, I think Miles will surprise some people in here.Swaye said:As Tequilla suggests though, the QB situation vs 2000 is basically laughable. I don't care how good Miles is, he won't be Tui. But, our schedule sets up well...blah blah blah...10+ or gtfo.
However, that OL was the strength of that team. They would wear you the fuck out and we haven't had a team like that since. Gilby was a shitty head coach but the guy could coach up his fat fucks.
Tui was the leader, the heart and soul of that team which I doubt Miles will ever be. I think that OL was so good though. I still remember the Rose Bowl and Miami game in particular dominating the line of scrimmage up front, plowing open holes for nobody running backs.
Could this line be that way? It could with all that experience and first time in forever good OL coaching.
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I think the OL is more likely to be close to the 2000 OL than Twerk Nasty is likely to be close to Tui.Boobs_Or_Harv said:
That's not even the biggest gap IMO though. Tui was great, I think Miles will surprise some people in here.Swaye said:As Tequilla suggests though, the QB situation vs 2000 is basically laughable. I don't care how good Miles is, he won't be Tui. But, our schedule sets up well...blah blah blah...10+ or gtfo.
However, that OL was the strength of that team. They would wear you the fuck out and we haven't had a team like that since. Gilby was a shitty head coach but the guy could coach up his fat fucks.
Tui was the leader, the heart and soul of that team which I doubt Miles will ever be. I think that OL was so good though. I still remember the Rose Bowl and Miami game in particular dominating the line of scrimmage up front, plowing open holes for nobody running backs.
Could this line be that way? It could with all that experience and first time in forever good OL coaching.
I think this will be our best team since 2000 and I can see the comparisons I really can.
On an unrelated note, is it too late to petition Peterman to have Miles wear #12 this season? No reason.
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You could be right there. I think we are splitting hairs as the gap between both units appears to be large.dnc said:
I think the OL is more likely to be close to the 2000 OL than Twerk Nasty is likely to be close to Tui.Boobs_Or_Harv said:
That's not even the biggest gap IMO though. Tui was great, I think Miles will surprise some people in here.Swaye said:As Tequilla suggests though, the QB situation vs 2000 is basically laughable. I don't care how good Miles is, he won't be Tui. But, our schedule sets up well...blah blah blah...10+ or gtfo.
However, that OL was the strength of that team. They would wear you the fuck out and we haven't had a team like that since. Gilby was a shitty head coach but the guy could coach up his fat fucks.
Tui was the leader, the heart and soul of that team which I doubt Miles will ever be. I think that OL was so good though. I still remember the Rose Bowl and Miami game in particular dominating the line of scrimmage up front, plowing open holes for nobody running backs.
Could this line be that way? It could with all that experience and first time in forever good OL coaching.
I think this will be our best team since 2000 and I can see the comparisons I really can.
On an unrelated note, is it too late to petition Peterman to have Miles wear #12 this season? No reason.
As for your second point I so badly want the Seahawks to either draft Miles or Stringfellow. Just like I loved our second round pic once I saw that pic of him Kaeperniking. -
This team should be better than the 1999/2001 teams and probably not quite as good as the 2000 team. That COULD be good enough to win the conference.
