Police mass murders
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And as I have said on numerous occasions, root out corruption in the police ... that’s a priorityTheKobeStopper said:
A lot of people, myself included, think Chauvin only highlights the problem.Tequilla said:
Sorry ... I don’t consider this good enoughTheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
I understand perceptions are realities ... so I get the skepticism and understand that doesn’t change overnight
The Chauvin verdict should help in the narrative that bad policing isn’t held accountable
But the other side of the coin is that the data and stats aren’t presenting the reality as much as the exception
We have one of the most visible people in the world go after a cop that saved a life and potentially additional lives ... that’s incredibly irresponsible
As I’ve said elsewhere, not only do we need greater accountability out of policing, but we need greater accountability from the public. Until that happens, we’re in a perpetual state of things being fucked
That’s the original report. The only reason there was justice was public pressure. They were plenty happy to sweep it under the rug. The fact that mass protests and political pressure were needed in order to even get a trial for a cop that murdered someone on video does not instill trust.
But you can’t in the interim while that’s happening not be accountable for your own actions and effectively take the approach that you’re not accountable to the law
For as much as we need police reform, we also need reform in our society being accountable to the law -
Hell he is one of the people who gladly pushes the lies. Black out of wedlock birth rates are due to systemic white racism.Goduckies said:
Black people don't trust the system because their leaders have lied to them for 50 years for political gain... but you love those leaders.TheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off. -
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now? -
Don't do that. This isn't a both sides are to blame issue. What are conservatives supposedly not willing to do? Which side filibustered a police reform bill this past year?Tequilla said:
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now? -
Having been in law enforcement for a long time this root out corruption stuff is funny. At least on the west coast.
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Stop speaking truthsSFGbob said:
How about an honest accounting from the black community of just how much fucking crime is committed by the black community and why that might have some impact on the amount of police presence and police contact blacks have with the police?Tequilla said:
Sorry ... I don’t consider this good enoughTheKobeStopper said:The exact numbers aren’t the problem. The problem is black people don’t trust the system. When a black person gets shot, they don’t trust that the cop was just and when it’s not just, they know they can’t trust the system to provide justice. This distrust is earned.
There’s also the problem of right wingers who have abandoned all skepticism of authority, unless it’s a democrat. You guys assume the cop must have been in the right. Black people assume the cop must have been wrong.
There’s a tight rope of skepticism of authority but trust in our institutions that must be walked and we have completely fallen off.
I understand perceptions are realities ... so I get the skepticism and understand that doesn’t change overnight
The Chauvin verdict should help in the narrative that bad policing isn’t held accountable
But the other side of the coin is that the data and stats aren’t presenting the reality as much as the exception
We have one of the most visible people in the world go after a cop that saved a life and potentially additional lives ... that’s incredibly irresponsible
As I’ve said elsewhere, not only do we need greater accountability out of policing, but we need greater accountability from the public. Until that happens, we’re in a perpetual state of things being fucked
Kobe what is your and the left's role in all of this when you give people the excuse of systemic white racism in order to explain their criminal behavior? What role does that play in black assumptions? -
Here at the Tug agreement could be found on police reform. Damone and Kobe are two sides of the same coin but Kobe insists on bashing people over race.
If you want a real national discussion include every police shooting and maybe focus on victims that are actual victims
Police enjoy the benefit of the doubt from most of the public because most of us wouldn't want to be a cop. But it's not a blind support for most.
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Both sides here isn’t left/rightSFGbob said:
Don't do that. This isn't a both sides are to blame issue. What are conservatives supposedly not willing to do? Which side filibustered a police reform bill this past year?Tequilla said:
Fixing the problem requires all sides working to a solutionTheKobeStopper said:Like I said, people don’t trust police when it comes to black lives. You can blame them if you like but I view that mistrust as earned. Too many dead bodies, too many cases swept under the rug. I’m trying my best to view every incident without bias but I can’t fault people for their reactions.
Do you actually think either side truly is interested in a solution right now?
This is police reform vs society actually following the law -
My God Kobe, please tell me you're fucking with this board.
Blacks' feelings??
I "Feel" that blacks have no ability to comply with police when they are justifiably confronted or arrested. They have earned this mistrust.
But I really really squint my eyes so hard and hope for peace and love
