Haie is Colin Cowherd

dnc said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Someone pull the stats for Edelman vs Ochocinco in playoff games

Some players become transcendent when the stage is the biggest and I value that more than regular season stat padding

Stay butthurt though

I'm not at all butthurt.

I do enjoy fucking with you though.

Okay, so you're saying that PGOS is butthurt.

Thanks, that makes sense.

Ochocinco and Edelman are difficult to compare. Ochocinco played WR, whereas Edelman played

Jewish WR, a very different position few teams employ.

My initial thought was that the only reason to say that Edelman is better than Ocho is that same reason that DJDuck prefers Brady Breeze to Jevon Holland.

If we’re doing race stuff: Edelman would win.

If it’s a 40 yard race, at least. He had the faster time.

Neither is a Hall-of-Fame player. Statistically it’s not even close. Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, and Jimmy Smith are the eligible WRs who should be offended that these guys are even mentioned in the same sentence with the HOF.

As far as career accomplishments outside of just regular season stats, Edelman is... maybe a Hall of Famer? I didn’t believe that when I started writing the last paragraph but it’s actually plausible. I was just looking up the stats to give a nod to his playoff accomplishments, but now I’m kind of impressed.

He’s fifth in playoff games played by a WR but second receiving in yards to Jerry Rice. Rice? 77 receiving yards per game. Edelman is at 76. 85 if you don’t count two games from early in his career when he wasn’t targeted.

Playoff all purpose yards has Edelman as one of only four players with over 2,000, and all of the players in the top-8 are in the Hall.

Super Bowl MVP has been given to randos, being around Brady and getting three rings is like 1.5 with a non Brady QB. Then again - HOF WRs were catching passes in the playoffs from Steve Young, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc. Edelman did dominate in the 2018/19 playoffs despite not catching a TD. He was also the same age as Ochocinco at the end not his career where he was a husk of himself playing for the Pats.

The stat that really surprised me is that the more Brady targeted Edelman the more likely New England would win. Especially in the playoffs. You throw to Edelman 8 more times and winning % goes up. His target to catch ratio is also elite.

This leaves me with three questions:
1. At what point do postseason accomplishments become important enough on their own?
2. How much do we discount a player because he’s part of a dynasty? Old Tyme Packers, 70s Raiders, 80s/90s 49ers, 90s Cowboys don’t seem as penalized. Edelman is nothing without Brady, but did he make Brady and Gronk look better?
3. Why the fuck is Hines Ward not in the Hall of Fame? Is it because he’s one of the dirtiest players ever? Have we not stopped Asian hate good enough yet? Statistically he’s a HOF player, playoff performer, and he could block for run the damn ball purposes to satisfy even the doogiest Haie types.

BennyBeaver said:

Chad and TJ along with Robert Prescott; GOAT OSU Receiving Corps

@CFetters_Nacho_Lover Prescott went to Kennedy.

Edelman made big, clutch plays in big games. That matters and can’t be overlooked. Chad Johnson was great and the better overall player. I’m having a hard time choosing.

It’s FS to compare players and use the argument of “clutch in big games” when one of the players never played on a team good enough to put him in big game situations when he was in his prime.

Chad was 34 in the one super bowl he played with the Pats, well past his prime, and still was responsible for the Pats longest pass play of the game. Edelman is 34 right now and hanging it up.

BleachedAnusDawg said:

Ocho was a standout during the peak "Look at me" WR era. Joe Horn was another favorite with the hiding of the cell phone under the goal post padding.

I was there for the Terrell Owens Sharpie.

BennyBeaver said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

BennyBeaver said:

Chad and TJ along with Robert Prescott; GOAT OSU Receiving Corps

That team was actually natty caliber

Who was their QB?

LOL

@Babushka

Babushka always could rely on Chad's Johnson. He always loved it when I told him where he could Cinqo his Ocho.

BennyBeaver said:

Chad and TJ along with Robert Prescott; GOAT OSU Receiving Corps

Prescott??? Nah. You just pulled a name there. #mymauer was key.