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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,691
    For the record neither receiver is HOF material
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  • EwaDawg
    EwaDawg Member Posts: 4,383
    dnc said:

    PostGameOrangeSlices said:

    Someone pull the stats for Edelman vs Ochocinco in playoff games

    Some players become transcendent when the stage is the biggest and I value that more than regular season stat padding

    Stay butthurt though

    I'm not at all butthurt.

    I do enjoy fucking with you though.

    Okay, so you're saying that PGOS is butthurt.

    Thanks, that makes sense.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,759 Standard Supporter
    RaceBannon said:

    I found out once again yesterday that there are a bunch of 21st century wideouts not in the Hall. When Edleman came up the list came out. The voters don't respect the stats like they used to because the game changed.

    This is the classic what is the fame in the Hall of Fame mean? Chad was famous for being Chad and has the stats. He was also a Patriot at one time

    Edleman is famous for being there in the biggest games

    Quite honestly I don't have a problem with either

    Neither belong in the Hall.
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  • RatherBeBrewing
    RatherBeBrewing Member Posts: 1,557
    Ochocinco and Edelman are difficult to compare. Ochocinco played WR, whereas Edelman played

    Jewish WR, a very different position few teams employ.

    My initial thought was that the only reason to say that Edelman is better than Ocho is that same reason that DJDuck prefers Brady Breeze to Jevon Holland.

    If we’re doing race stuff: Edelman would win.

    If it’s a 40 yard race, at least. He had the faster time.

    Neither is a Hall-of-Fame player. Statistically it’s not even close. Hines Ward, Reggie Wayne, Torry Holt, and Jimmy Smith are the eligible WRs who should be offended that these guys are even mentioned in the same sentence with the HOF.

    As far as career accomplishments outside of just regular season stats, Edelman is... maybe a Hall of Famer? I didn’t believe that when I started writing the last paragraph but it’s actually plausible. I was just looking up the stats to give a nod to his playoff accomplishments, but now I’m kind of impressed.

    He’s fifth in playoff games played by a WR but second receiving in yards to Jerry Rice. Rice? 77 receiving yards per game. Edelman is at 76. 85 if you don’t count two games from early in his career when he wasn’t targeted.

    Playoff all purpose yards has Edelman as one of only four players with over 2,000, and all of the players in the top-8 are in the Hall.

    Super Bowl MVP has been given to randos, being around Brady and getting three rings is like 1.5 with a non Brady QB. Then again - HOF WRs were catching passes in the playoffs from Steve Young, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, etc. Edelman did dominate in the 2018/19 playoffs despite not catching a TD. He was also the same age as Ochocinco at the end not his career where he was a husk of himself playing for the Pats.

    The stat that really surprised me is that the more Brady targeted Edelman the more likely New England would win. Especially in the playoffs. You throw to Edelman 8 more times and winning % goes up. His target to catch ratio is also elite.

    This leaves me with three questions:
    1. At what point do postseason accomplishments become important enough on their own?
    2. How much do we discount a player because he’s part of a dynasty? Old Tyme Packers, 70s Raiders, 80s/90s 49ers, 90s Cowboys don’t seem as penalized. Edelman is nothing without Brady, but did he make Brady and Gronk look better?
    3. Why the fuck is Hines Ward not in the Hall of Fame? Is it because he’s one of the dirtiest players ever? Have we not stopped Asian hate good enough yet? Statistically he’s a HOF player, playoff performer, and he could block for run the damn ball purposes to satisfy even the doogiest Haie types.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 24,492 Founders Club
    Chad Johnson wouldn't block, but he also was not soft.

    He also probably never let a little Cal db outwork him for a jump ball.
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  • BennyBeaver
    BennyBeaver Member Posts: 13,346
    BennyBeaver said:

    Chad and TJ along with Robert Prescott; GOAT OSU Receiving Corps

    @CFetters_Nacho_Lover Prescott went to Kennedy.
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  • Joey
    Joey Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,535 Founders Club
    https://youtu.be/cxqjsyfbcd4
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,423 Standard Supporter
    Edelman made big, clutch plays in big games. That matters and can’t be overlooked. Chad Johnson was great and the better overall player. I’m having a hard time choosing.
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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,856 Founders Club
    I wish I had the last two minutes of my life back
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