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Obamacare and the religious right
topdawgnc
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Thoughts?
For me religion is about control.
And telling people they can't use birth control is bullshit.
Just like those who praise Allah can only eat at night during Ram a Dam.
And Catholics have to give something up during lint.
If I'm an employer it is far cheaper for me to pay for birth control than have to pay the cost of all those fuck trophies running around.
But Gawd prevents people from seeing clearly sometimes ... like when they kick over 10% of their pay to his child molesting cronies.
For me religion is about control.
And telling people they can't use birth control is bullshit.
Just like those who praise Allah can only eat at night during Ram a Dam.
And Catholics have to give something up during lint.
If I'm an employer it is far cheaper for me to pay for birth control than have to pay the cost of all those fuck trophies running around.
But Gawd prevents people from seeing clearly sometimes ... like when they kick over 10% of their pay to his child molesting cronies.
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But at some point, the government has to have limits in what they can order businesses to do. My personal opinions on birth control have jack shit to do with it. I do not like the government being able to tell everyone to purchase and do what they want just becasue the government likes it. What about what I think or like? In short, fuck the government.
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I think you're both right. #Abundance
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And as an employer you have the right to decide what to pay for.topdawgnc said:Thoughts?
For me religion is about control.
And telling people they can't use birth control is bullshit.
Just like those who praise Allah can only eat at night during Ram a Dam.
And Catholics have to give something up during lint.
If I'm an employer it is far cheaper for me to pay for birth control than have to pay the cost of all those fuck trophies running around.
But Gawd prevents people from seeing clearly sometimes ... like when they kick over 10% of their pay to his child molesting cronies.
I don't see it as an issue of religion. It's choice. And I'm pro-choice. For everything. Hobby lobby could just say F off and, pay the fine and tell people to get their own god damned insurance. Or if you don't like the benefits Hobby Lobby pays, you are free to work somewhere else and shop somewhere else.
The left and right have an inconsistent positions when it comes to "choice". Each wants the freedom to choose things they believe in, and restrict things they don't. It's hypocritical.
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What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies. -
The Hobby Lobby case, and thus the ruling, was too narrow. It would have been far better to have a ruling on whether government can tell any business what insurance coverage to provide on any grounds. But clearly that wasn't going to happen so we take what we can get.
Regarding your religious control objection, remember that in the West, these are voluntary associations and voluntary compliance. Sharia law states, that's a different situation obviously. -
I'd bet Sven's $20 Congress will move, or Obama will edict, what the definition of a closely held corporation ...MikeDamone said:
And as an employer you have the right to decide what to pay for.topdawgnc said:Thoughts?
For me religion is about control.
And telling people they can't use birth control is bullshit.
Just like those who praise Allah can only eat at night during Ram a Dam.
And Catholics have to give something up during lint.
If I'm an employer it is far cheaper for me to pay for birth control than have to pay the cost of all those fuck trophies running around.
But Gawd prevents people from seeing clearly sometimes ... like when they kick over 10% of their pay to his child molesting cronies.
I don't see it as an issue of religion. It's choice. And I'm pro-choice. For everything. Hobby lobby could just say F off and, pay the fine and tell people to get their own god damned insurance. Or if you don't like the benefits Hobby Lobby pays, you are free to work somewhere else and shop somewhere else.
The left and right have an inconsistent positions when it comes to "choice". Each wants the freedom to choose things they believe in, and restrict things they don't. It's hypocritical.
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Due to the need for an individual to shell out $30 for their own Pill prescription?topdawgnc said:
What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies. -
From what I read if you aren't part of the 1% ... $30 a month makes the difference between eating and not eating.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Due to the need for an individual to shell out $30 for their own Pill prescription?topdawgnc said:
What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies.
If we don't get to $15 an hour these people will be on the streets. -
But at least they will still have their government provided phone, because, you know, you gotta have a phone, or you like, can't live or some shit.topdawgnc said:
From what I read if you aren't part of the 1% ... $30 a month makes the difference between eating and not eating.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Due to the need for an individual to shell out $30 for their own Pill prescription?topdawgnc said:
What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies.
If we don't get to $15 an hour these people will be on the streets. -
Everybody deserves to have a phone. No one living in the greatest nation on earth shouldn't have free healthcare, a phone and $15/hr.Swaye said:
But at least they will still have their government provided phone, because, you know, you gotta have a phone, or you like, can't live or some shit.topdawgnc said:
From what I read if you aren't part of the 1% ... $30 a month makes the difference between eating and not eating.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Due to the need for an individual to shell out $30 for their own Pill prescription?topdawgnc said:
What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies.
If we don't get to $15 an hour these people will be on the streets. -
Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
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Go ahead...write the check.... Nothing stopping you...PurpleJ said:Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
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Tell me about it. This post brought to you by my ObamaPhone.topdawgnc said:
From what I read if you aren't part of the 1% ... $30 a month makes the difference between eating and not eating.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Due to the need for an individual to shell out $30 for their own Pill prescription?topdawgnc said:
What's funny ... in a non-funny way.TierbsHsotBoobs said:I think you're both right. #Abundance
Abortion will likely spike among those who work for these religious companies.
If we don't get to $15 an hour these people will be on the streets.
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Who would you make the check out to?MikeDamone said:
Go ahead...write the check.... Nothing stopping you...PurpleJ said:Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
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NAACP.PurpleJ said:
Who would you make the check out to?MikeDamone said:
Go ahead...write the check.... Nothing stopping you...PurpleJ said:Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
Worked out for Donald Sterling. Until it didn't. -
Planned Parenthood. It's a non-profit that gets free birth control to low income women. Just what we are talking about.PurpleJ said:
Who would you make the check out to?MikeDamone said:
Go ahead...write the check.... Nothing stopping you...PurpleJ said:Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
No government needed. Just donate straight to them and we're good.
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I might actually do that. Sounds like a worthy cause.MikeDamone said:
Planned Parenthood. It's a non-profit that gets free birth control to low income women. Just what we are talking about.PurpleJ said:
Who would you make the check out to?MikeDamone said:
Go ahead...write the check.... Nothing stopping you...PurpleJ said:Also, I don't know why the hell anyone would be against birth control. Do they not see how many fucktards are reproducing? We should pay some people to use it.
No government needed. Just donate straight to them and we're good.
HTH
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Someone that hates people should be for all forms of birth control.
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I am. What made you think I wasn't?doogsinparadise said:Someone that hates people should be for all forms of birth control.
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Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
But F the govt for trying to tell anybody they have to pay for something for someone else -
Makes sense. Where do we sign up to stop paying for nuclear aircraft carriers and for corporate bailouts?HoustonHusky said:Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
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http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-respond-to-hobby-lobby-ruling
It's strange that liberals and conservatives are making this ruling out to be a huge deal. All the ruling does is remove a very narrow coverage requirement, in very specific cases; 99.9 percent of Obamacare is upheld.
It's true that closely held corporate entities should not be forced to pay for this particular contraceptive coverage. But focusing on that narrow issue misses the bigger point: No employer should be forced to provide any health coverage at all.
This ruling just draws the line between freedom and regulation arbitrarily. If these employers are free to ignore this particular mandate, why aren't other employers free to ignore other Obamacare regulations? They should be.
Obamacare is unjust and unconstitutional from top to bottom. No employer should be forced to provide health coverage to its employees, or penalized by government if it doesn't.
Religion is not the issue. The fact that these employers have religious motives doesn't matter. Employers have the right to associate freely with their employees, and to come up with any mutually agreeable employment terms, whether their motives are religious, secular, generous, greedy, or whatever.
This ruling is a tiny island in a huge sea of Supreme Court rulings that have supported the federal government's desire to regulate and control. -
As soon as we overthrow the corrupt government and create a free society.OZONE said:
Makes sense. Where do we sign up to stop paying for nuclear aircraft carriers and for corporate bailouts?HoustonHusky said:Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
But you actually don't want that. You to stop paying for those things (and so do I) so the money can be spent on things you approve of. So as long as you agree with the waste, it's ok. -
NSAdawg?MikeDamone said:
As soon as we overthrow the corrupt government and create a free society.OZONE said:
Makes sense. Where do we sign up to stop paying for nuclear aircraft carriers and for corporate bailouts?HoustonHusky said:Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
But you actually don't want that. You to stop paying for those things (and so do I) so the money can be spent on things you approve of. So as long as you agree with the waste, it's ok. -
That's just what I was hearing, not what I actually think. Stop twisting. Don't be a twister.allpurpleallgold said:
NSAdawg?MikeDamone said:
As soon as we overthrow the corrupt government and create a free society.OZONE said:
Makes sense. Where do we sign up to stop paying for nuclear aircraft carriers and for corporate bailouts?HoustonHusky said:Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
But you actually don't want that. You to stop paying for those things (and so do I) so the money can be spent on things you approve of. So as long as you agree with the waste, it's ok. -
Sounds great the next time the govt forces a business or individual to buy an aircraft carrier or bailout for another individual. Of course you could argue the GM fiasco fit that mold...OZONE said:
Makes sense. Where do we sign up to stop paying for nuclear aircraft carriers and for corporate bailouts?HoustonHusky said:Straw man discussion. Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pre conception...including the pill and lots of other methods. They just don't want to pay for drugs that can destroy a viable embryo.
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SCROTUM, I mean SCOTUS, needs to have its powers severely curtailed. There should be no such thing as an 'activist judge.' It should have no power to rule on social issues that should be decided on a state by state basis, or by its own power alone overturn laws enacted by the vote of the people. The people of 50 states, not 9 biased individual imbeciles that are appointed for life, should be deciding the trajectory of the nation. It and the executive branch has overstepped its bounds at the expense of the legislative branch (which sadly doesn't really represent the people like it's supposed to). SCOTUS and POTUS are the two evil twins that currently act as vampires on the nation. They need a strong punch in the jaw to break some of their teeth off.GrundleStiltzkin said:http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-respond-to-hobby-lobby-ruling
This ruling is a tiny island in a huge sea of Supreme Court rulings that have supported the federal government's desire to regulate and control. -
SCROTUM, I mean SCOTUS, needs to have its powers severely curtailed. There should be no such thing as an 'activist judge.' It should have no power to rule on social issues that should be decided on a state by state basis, or by its own power alone overturn laws enacted by the vote of the people. The people of 50 states, not 9 biased individual imbeciles that are appointed for life, should be deciding the trajectory of the nation. It and the executive branch has overstepped its bounds at the expense of the legislative branch (which sadly doesn't really represent the people like it's supposed to). SCOTUS and POTUS are the two evil twins that currently act as vampires on the nation.oregonblitzkrieg said:GrundleStiltzkin said:http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-respond-to-hobby-lobby-ruling
This ruling is a tiny island in a huge sea of Supreme Court rulings that have supported the federal government's desire to regulate and control.
If they don't rule on "social issues" then what should they rule on? At least they got this weeks rulings correct. If they would have ruled correctly on the ACA in the past, we wouldn't have had the Hobby Lobby case.
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They need to stay completely out of social issues like the gay marriage debate for example. Things like this should be decided by the individual states. If a majority of citizens vote to legalize gay marriage in their state, like WA for example, fine. It's for them to choose. If a majority of citizens are against it, as is the case in Utah, that should be ok too. Utah doesn't want gay marriage. Utah shouldn't be forced to legalize it against the will of its people. Oregon was forced into it also like California was, and I think most people resent a federal court overturning the will of the voters who enacted a law stating they were against it. If the law is to be invalidated it should be invalidated by the people of that state, not by the pen stroke of a single biased activist judge. What do you call a nation state that is ruled by judges?
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I'm all for states rights, but how do you define a social issue and why shouldn't the states have over all issues. And does your opinion apply only when the judge rules in favor or things you agree with or are you up in arms over only things you disagree with as well? For example, if abortion is a "social issue" are you ok with each state deciding if it is constitution or not? Would you be ok with abortion being illegal in huge sections of the nation?
