The standards of success for Husky Football 2013
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But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect?He_Needs_More_Time said:
The 7-1 start in 2001 and top 10 ranking says hello as well.HillsboroDuck said:
The judges also would have accepted the 4-1 start in 2006.He_Needs_More_Time said:MikeDamone said:When UW rolls to a 4-1 start and some smart people point out that the schedule was front loaded with weaker teams, look for doogs to call those smart people "coog/duck trolls" and ask them why they can't just be happy with 4-1. The when 7 win Steve goes 7-6, they will conveniently forget what they were told at the beginning of October.
Brings back memories of 2011 in October when UW was 5-1. Everyone was telling Doogs that our schedule was soft, our defense was shitty and that to expect a rough second half. Doogs of course didn't listen, insisted that we are "Coog/Duck trolls" who are jealous that UW is doing so well. Sark is the man, we are idiots, blah blah blah. Looking at our schedule I see a similar season as 2011.
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Our best win at that point was Utah, a 7 win team who was playing their backup QB, anyone with eyes knew this team was gonna fall off a cliffHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Brings back memories of 2011 in October when UW was 5-1. Everyone was telling Doogs that our schedule was soft, our defense was shitty and that to expect a rough second half. Doogs of course didn't listen, insisted that we are "Coog/Duck trolls" who are jealous that UW is doing so well. Sark is the man, we are idiots, blah blah blah. Looking at our schedule I see a similar season as 2011.MikeDamone said:When UW rolls to a 4-1 start and some smart people point out that the schedule was front loaded with weaker teams, look for doogs to call those smart people "coog/duck trolls" and ask them why they can't just be happy with 4-1. The when 7 win Steve goes 7-6, they will conveniently forget what they were told at the beginning of October.
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The judges would have accepted "anyone with half a brain" knew this team was gonna fall off a cliff.incremetal_progress said:
Our best win at that point was Utah, a 7 win team who was playing their backup QB, anyone with eyes knew this team was gonna fall off a cliffHe_Needs_More_Time said:
Brings back memories of 2011 in October when UW was 5-1. Everyone was telling Doogs that our schedule was soft, our defense was shitty and that to expect a rough second half. Doogs of course didn't listen, insisted that we are "Coog/Duck trolls" who are jealous that UW is doing so well. Sark is the man, we are idiots, blah blah blah. Looking at our schedule I see a similar season as 2011.MikeDamone said:When UW rolls to a 4-1 start and some smart people point out that the schedule was front loaded with weaker teams, look for doogs to call those smart people "coog/duck trolls" and ask them why they can't just be happy with 4-1. The when 7 win Steve goes 7-6, they will conveniently forget what they were told at the beginning of October.
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It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect?
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Football was invented in 1994 and Oregon took football seriously when they D.A.O Bellotti and brought in Chip.dtd said:
It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect? -
Contrary to popular belief, football was actually invented in 1987.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Football was invented in 1994 and Oregon took football seriously when they D.A.O Bellotti and brought in Chip.dtd said:
It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect? -
Was that Oregon's first prestigious Northwest Championship?dtd said:
Contrary to popular belief, football was actually invented in 1987.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Football was invented in 1994 and Oregon took football seriously when they D.A.O Bellotti and brought in Chip.dtd said:
It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oregon/1987-schedule.html
That was a shit tier season for Oregon and Washington:
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Pretty much. It was the beginning of the beginning.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Was that Oregon's first prestigious Northwest Championship?dtd said:
Contrary to popular belief, football was actually invented in 1987.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Football was invented in 1994 and Oregon took football seriously when they D.A.O Bellotti and brought in Chip.dtd said:
It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oregon/1987-schedule.html
That was a shit tier season for Oregon and Washington:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/pac-10/1987.html -
The worst part is that 6-5 Duck team deserved a bowl more than any of Sark's teams have.dtd said:
Pretty much. It was the beginning of the beginning.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
Was that Oregon's first prestigious Northwest Championship?dtd said:
Contrary to popular belief, football was actually invented in 1987.He_Needs_More_Time said:
Football was invented in 1994 and Oregon took football seriously when they D.A.O Bellotti and brought in Chip.dtd said:
It was around that time Oregon started taking football seriously.MikeDamone said:
But that when we had to transition to a post 9/11 world during the season. What did you expect?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/oregon/1987-schedule.html
That was a shit tier season for Oregon and Washington:
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/conferences/pac-10/1987.html -
The team that almost got James fired in 1988 was better than any of Sark's teams too.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The worst part is that 6-5 Duck team deserved a bowl more than any of Sark's teams have.
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YOU WOULD HAVE FIRED DON JAMES!!!111!!
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Oregon St and Hawaii approve this post.He_Needs_More_Time said:
The team that almost got James fired in 1988 was better than any of Sark's teams too.TierbsHsotBoobs said:
The worst part is that 6-5 Duck team deserved a bowl more than any of Sark's teams have. -
Fun fact I just looked up about James 1988 team that almost got him fired. In those 5 losses the Huskies lost by a combined 15 points.
Biggest loss of the year was to #2 UCLA 24-17. So James in the year that almost got him fired(who knows how close it really was) was pretty unlucky and we probably could have won 8-9 games that year.
While Sark has yet to have a season where the Huskies have outscored their opponents. -
In my heart that '88 team went 9-2He_Needs_More_Time said:Fun fact I just looked up about James 1988 team that almost got him fired. In those 5 losses the Huskies lost by a combined 15 points.
Biggest loss of the year was to #2 UCLA 24-17. So James in the year that almost got him fired(who knows how close it really was) was pretty unlucky and we probably could have won 8-9 games that year.
While Sark has yet to have a season where the Huskies have outscored their opponents. -
Difference between the coaches is Sark actually thinks his team last year was 9-4. Meanwhile James didn't look at his team as a team who caught breaks but instead decided he needed to make some coaching adjustments and changes to his program.DerekJohnson said:
In my heart that '88 team went 9-2He_Needs_More_Time said:Fun fact I just looked up about James 1988 team that almost got him fired. In those 5 losses the Huskies lost by a combined 15 points.
Biggest loss of the year was to #2 UCLA 24-17. So James in the year that almost got him fired(who knows how close it really was) was pretty unlucky and we probably could have won 8-9 games that year.
While Sark has yet to have a season where the Huskies have outscored their opponents.
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I don't think James was in any serious trouble. He declined a raise. It was an integrity move; One I doubt Sark would make.
Of course, he bought himself a cushion with all the good teams he had. There were a few Rose Bowls & a few top 10 finishes... a bunch of top 20 finishes... Those always help. -
I also don't think he was in serious trouble because back then we had a good A.D. in Mike Lude. A lesser A.D. and he might have been fired.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I don't think James was in any serious trouble. He declined a raise. It was an integrity move; One I doubt Sark would make.
Of course, he bought himself a cushion with all the good teams he had. There were a few Rose Bowls & a few top 10 finishes... a bunch of top 20 finishes... Those always help.
Like I pointed out the team was 6-5 but when you lose 5 games by a combined 15 points you just had an unlucky year.
While Sark going 7-6 is the complete opposite. He was LUCKY to be 7-6 and in 2011 and especially in 2010 his Pythagorean W-L was like 4 to 5 wins. -
"lol"He_Needs_More_Time said:
I also don't think he was in serious trouble because back then we had a good A.D. in Mike Lude. A lesser A.D. and he might have been fired.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I don't think James was in any serious trouble. He declined a raise. It was an integrity move; One I doubt Sark would make.
Of course, he bought himself a cushion with all the good teams he had. There were a few Rose Bowls & a few top 10 finishes... a bunch of top 20 finishes... Those always help.
Like I pointed out the team was 6-5 but when you lose 5 games by a combined 15 points you just had an unlucky year.
While Sark going 7-6 is the complete opposite. He was LUCKY to be 7-6 and in 2011 and especially in 2010 his Pythagorean W-L was like 4 to 5 wins.
Mupphukkas be doogin left and right around here. Mods better watch that shit. Be creepin in and catch y'all unawares. Sven and Race hafta start a new Harvey dicksuck bored yet again.
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Kind of like how I said in the other thread, 8-5 is only good if you blowout teams in your wins and then you have close losses. You dismissed that in the other thread as doogish.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I also don't think he was in serious trouble because back then we had a good A.D. in Mike Lude. A lesser A.D. and he might have been fired.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I don't think James was in any serious trouble. He declined a raise. It was an integrity move; One I doubt Sark would make.
Of course, he bought himself a cushion with all the good teams he had. There were a few Rose Bowls & a few top 10 finishes... a bunch of top 20 finishes... Those always help.
Like I pointed out the team was 6-5 but when you lose 5 games by a combined 15 points you just had an unlucky year.
While Sark going 7-6 is the complete opposite. He was LUCKY to be 7-6 and in 2011 and especially in 2010 his Pythagorean W-L was like 4 to 5 wins.
DJ had a track record though. -
I never said that year was good. Just illustrating how that was rock bottom for James was still better than any Sark season.HeretoBeatmyChest said:
Kind of like how I said in the other thread, 8-5 is only good if you blowout teams in your wins and then you have close losses. You dismissed that in the other thread as doogish.He_Needs_More_Time said:
I also don't think he was in serious trouble because back then we had a good A.D. in Mike Lude. A lesser A.D. and he might have been fired.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:I don't think James was in any serious trouble. He declined a raise. It was an integrity move; One I doubt Sark would make.
Of course, he bought himself a cushion with all the good teams he had. There were a few Rose Bowls & a few top 10 finishes... a bunch of top 20 finishes... Those always help.
Like I pointed out the team was 6-5 but when you lose 5 games by a combined 15 points you just had an unlucky year.
While Sark going 7-6 is the complete opposite. He was LUCKY to be 7-6 and in 2011 and especially in 2010 his Pythagorean W-L was like 4 to 5 wins.
DJ had a track record though.
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That 1988 team is the squad that Don James publically announced at season's end did not deserve a post-season bowl invite even though they finished the regular season at 6-5, and there were no Big Sky FCS cupcakes such as EWU or Portland State on the schedule that season. Obviously, Sark would never consider keeping a 6-5 team home during the postseason, but DJ did.He_Needs_More_Time said:Fun fact I just looked up about James 1988 team that almost got him fired. In those 5 losses the Huskies lost by a combined 15 points.
Biggest loss of the year was to #2 UCLA 24-17. So James in the year that almost got him fired(who knows how close it really was) was pretty unlucky and we probably could have won 8-9 games that year.
While Sark has yet to have a season where the Huskies have outscored their opponents.
That '88 Husky team was so mediocre that I skipped the UW-OSU game and attended my daughter's youth soccer state playoff, something I would never have done before. Thus, I missed out on one of the biggest upset losses in Husky Football history.
If DJ was on a hot seat in 1988, it must have been facetiously plugged in by the Dawgfather himself in one of his media whipping moods. If you don't believe that, take a look at the '87, '88, and '89 recruiting classes. 1987: B. Collins, E. Cunningham, W. Doctor, C. Fraley, D. Hall, D. Jones, G. Lewis, S. Malamala, A. Pierce, T. Powe, and K. Rongen; 1988: M. Bailey, J. Barry, M. Brunell, J. Clifford, S. Emtman, J. Fields, E. Harris, D. Hoffman, L. Kennedy, O. Mckay, D. Smith, and D. Turner; 1989: B. Bryant, H. Butler, D. Farr, J. Fontaine, B.J. Hobert, M. Jones, P. Kaligis, J. Kralik, A. Mason, S. Pahukoa, P. Pierson, and T. Smith.
Those of us who know Husky Football can recognize that those three classes were RS freshmen ('87), true freshman ('88), or prospects being recruited ('89 LOI's) during that supposedly infamous 1988 season and along with others formed the hardcore of our undefeated 1991 team that won an NC. Not only have new wave Doogs repeatedly derided 1988 as DJ's low watermark hotseat season, but they have also proclaimed on occasion that DJ's '87, '88, and '89 recruiting classes were at best unremarkable. This is Doog propaganda at it's silliest.
That's of course not how I remember it and in fact, the excitement over those kids becoming Huskies was such that I attended several Spring scrimmages in 1988, 1989, and 1990 and could hardly believe the athleticism and talent that the Dawgfather was assembling on the practice field. The media might not have understood or cared about good things happening at Montlake, but it's definite that DJ and staff as well as AD Lude knew in 1988 and were excited about what was coming down the pike and how bright the future looked for Husky Football during that dismal 1988 season.
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In 1988 I took a break from D&D and band practice and sat in a the rain in a half empty husky stadium to watch Arizona kick a field goal at the end of the game to beat UW 16-13.I said I wanted Don James fired that day. In was the low point of 15 years of following the huskies (hi puppy steele!). I was right that day, and don James knew it and felt the same way, he was failing. Rather than make excuses and go on a PR tour, he got to work and figured out what he was missing. No chest bumping players,no "aloha Brah"...he got to work, immediately. The results speak for themselves. Can Sark do the same? It doesn't look like it. If he doesn't do it starting in less than four weeks, he should resign. He won't. Nor will he be Fired. UW has changed. The fans have changed. What you see is what you get. Minnesota built a new stadium too.....Tailgater said:
That 1988 team is the squad that Don James publically announced at season's end did not deserve a post-season bowl invite even though they finished the regular season at 6-5, and there were no Big Sky FCS cupcakes such as EWU or Portland State on the schedule that season. Obviously, Sark would never consider keeping a 6-5 team home during the postseason, but DJ did.He_Needs_More_Time said:Fun fact I just looked up about James 1988 team that almost got him fired. In those 5 losses the Huskies lost by a combined 15 points.
Biggest loss of the year was to #2 UCLA 24-17. So James in the year that almost got him fired(who knows how close it really was) was pretty unlucky and we probably could have won 8-9 games that year.
While Sark has yet to have a season where the Huskies have outscored their opponents.
That '88 Husky team was so mediocre that I skipped the UW-OSU game and attended my daughter's youth soccer state playoff, something I would never have done before. Thus, I missed out on one of the biggest upset losses in Husky Football history.
If DJ was on a hot seat in 1988, it must have been facetiously plugged in by the Dawgfather himself in one of his media whipping moods. If you don't believe that, take a look at the '87, '88, and '89 recruiting classes. 1987: B. Collins, E. Cunningham, W. Doctor, C. Fraley, D. Hall, D. Jones, G. Lewis, S. Malamala, A. Pierce, T. Powe, and K. Rongen; 1988: M. Bailey, J. Barry, M. Brunell, J. Clifford, S. Emtman, J. Fields, E. Harris, D. Hoffman, L. Kennedy, O. Mckay, D. Smith, and D. Turner; 1989: B. Bryant, H. Butler, D. Farr, J. Fontaine, B.J. Hobert, M. Jones, P. Kaligis, J. Kralik, A. Mason, S. Pahukoa, P. Pierson, and T. Smith.
Those of us who know Husky Football can recognize that those three classes were RS freshmen ('87), true freshman ('88), or prospects being recruited ('89 LOI's) during that supposedly infamous 1988 season and along with others formed the hardcore of our undefeated 1991 team that won an NC. Not only have new wave Doogs repeatedly derided 1988 as DJ's low watermark hotseat season, but they have also proclaimed on occasion that DJ's '87, '88, and '89 recruiting classes were at best unremarkable. This is Doog propaganda at it's silliest.
That's of course not how I remember it and in fact, the excitement over those kids becoming Huskies was such that I attended several Spring scrimmages in 1988, 1989, and 1990 and could hardly believe the athleticism and talent that the Dawgfather was assembling on the practice field. The media might not have understood or cared about good things happening at Montlake, but it's definite that DJ and staff as well as AD Lude knew in 1988 and were excited about what was coming down the pike and how bright the future looked for Husky Football during that dismal 1988 season. -
"I skipped the UW-OSU game and attended my daughter's youth soccer state playoff, something I would never have done before. Thus, I missed out on one of the biggest upset losses in Husky Football history."
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Other than thatDerekJohnson said:"I skipped the UW-OSU game and attended my daughter's youth soccer state playoff, something I would never have done before. Thus, I missed out on one of the biggest upset losses in Husky Football history."
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You have kids. Ut oh.DerekJohnson said:"I skipped the UW-OSU game and attended my daughter's youth soccer state playoff, something I would never have done before. Thus, I missed out on one of the biggest upset losses in Husky Football history."
That was in 1985, not '88
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Aloha Brah
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6-6 and not fired would be a disaster
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DerekJohnson said:
Here's how I view it...
1-5 wins disaster Agreed. Fired
6 wins extremely disappointing Fired
7 wins mediocrity defined, time for a new coach Agreed, but it won't happen
8 wins decent season, time for a new coach Hotseat
9 wins modestly successful season, Sark probably deserves another season Progress
10 wins successful season, Sark would deserve another season
11-13 wins Spectacular season; Sark would deserve extension and healthy raise
10+ wins and Sark IS the man. -
Where's your preseason conference power rankings?Auburndawg said:DerekJohnson said:Here's how I view it...
1-5 wins disaster Agreed. Fired
6 wins extremely disappointing Fired
7 wins mediocrity defined, time for a new coach Agreed, but it won't happen
8 wins decent season, time for a new coach Hotseat
9 wins modestly successful season, Sark probably deserves another season Progress
10 wins successful season, Sark would deserve another season
11-13 wins Spectacular season; Sark would deserve extension and healthy raise
10+ wins and Sark IS the man. -
Disagree. 10 wins and I'll support him staying around, but it's going to take much more than one above average season out of five to make Sark the man. He did a pretty good job in year one and has been below average each of the three years since. I like the defensive hires but he's going to have to do something more than one 10 win season to become anything close to the man.Auburndawg said:DerekJohnson said:Here's how I view it...
1-5 wins disaster Agreed. Fired
6 wins extremely disappointing Fired
7 wins mediocrity defined, time for a new coach Agreed, but it won't happen
8 wins decent season, time for a new coach Hotseat
9 wins modestly successful season, Sark probably deserves another season Progress
10 wins successful season, Sark would deserve another season
11-13 wins Spectacular season; Sark would deserve extension and healthy raise
10+ wins and Sark IS the man.
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