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One thing we did in our latest remodel was porcelain countertops. Looks like marble but you don't have to put up with all of the porous bullshit. Significantly cheaper too.YellowSnow said:
I don't think we'll go crazy high end appliance. Probably another Jenn Air down draft and what run of the mill decent fridge. We ain't in the country club so I don't need to go all Viking or shit like that. I think it's important to not overspend on shit of which you won't make it back if you had to sell the home.BennyBeaver said:
Depends on the appliances. Our Sub-Zero fridge over freezer was $10k alone. Add matching beverage/wine fridge, Wolf cooktop, vent, double ovens and Meile dishwasher and you are at $22k for appliances. Delivered but not installed.YellowSnow said:
Ok @RaceBannon so I'm almost done with my interior painting which has made a huge difference. We're talking a nice interior designer down the street to help my wife figure out the grand vision. They will recommend an kitchen remodeling GC or three for me to chat with.RaceBannon said:You could call us and get it all including new cabinets for 20 to 30 k. If we were in Oregon
Get a reputable kitchen remodeling company that acts as the GC. Don't do it yourself.
Get more than one price and check references. Trust no one. Don't pay over 30 percent up front. Balance when it passes your wife's punch list.
Put a timeline in the agreement
You still think 30K will get someone new granite countertops, sink, backsplash, fridge, downdraft range/oven AND decent new cabinets? Again, medium size kitchen we're talking about here. It seems like the non real wood cabinets have gone up a lot in quality of late.
We did Sollera cabinets out of BC via Phinney Ridge Cabinet Co., very nice but not top of the line. https://www.solleracabinets.com/ Cabinets were $25k not including installation or under cab lighting which were extra. This pricing does include their design services which are top notch.
Cabinets usually don't come with drawer and door pulls. There's another $500-1k.
Quartz countertops and backsplash are the tits, I think cheaper than granite. You get a look somewhere between concrete and natural stone. Durable, easy to clean, no maintenance. https://pentalquartz.com/ Countertops + backsplash $8k installed.
Kraus sinks and faucets. Made in China knockoffs of high end European stuff for a fraction of the price. They look great, work great, and have held up nicely. Way better than what the big box stores carry. We originally got a uber expensive Euro faucet for the main sink and it rusted within 30 days. No bueno. I usually don't like made in China stuff, but these would be an exception and your interior designer is not gonna be pimping them.
So $60k-ish not including the new lighting, new floor, speakers, paint, etc. which was part of a bigger whole house redo.
I'm open to quartz.
Another corner you can cut is buying IKEA cabinets but adding third party panels on front so they don't look like IKEA. -
Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
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You don't show up for weeks and this is what you come up with?dnc said:Always about replacing the blacks with you
I can't complain ... I ventured over to @RaceBannon 's shit hole forum and found myself sucked into another dark topic, only to have it twisted and fucked up and thrown back at me.
Notwithstanding the clarity and perspective added to said thread, I was lambasted with insults and not even one thank you.
Fuck you Racebannon. You can have my charity clicks for today. -
FWIW, our realtor (this is in SF mind you) told us if we were going ever going to sell, to get a Wolf, Wolf, or a Wolf. Apparently those red knobs pay for themselves and more when buyers come through.LoneStarDawg said:Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
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I believe it. But that Bertazonni is a nice-looking range.Sources said:
FWIW, our realtor (this is in SF mind you) told us if we were going ever going to sell, to get a Wolf, Wolf, or a Wolf. Apparently those red knobs pay for themselves and more when buyers come through.LoneStarDawg said:Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
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Red knobs?Sources said:
FWIW, our realtor (this is in SF mind you) told us if we were going ever going to sell, to get a Wolf, Wolf, or a Wolf. Apparently those red knobs pay for themselves and more when buyers come through.LoneStarDawg said:Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
@Swaye?! True!!!?!? -
You love the tug and you love mecreepycoug said:
You don't show up for weeks and this is what you come up with?dnc said:Always about replacing the blacks with you
I can't complain ... I ventured over to @RaceBannon 's shit hole forum and found myself sucked into another dark topic, only to have it twisted and fucked up and thrown back at me.
Notwithstanding the clarity and perspective added to said thread, I was lambasted with insults and not even one thank you.
Fuck you Racebannon. You can have my charity clicks for today. -
Yes, and yes.RaceBannon said:
You love the tug and you love mecreepycoug said:
You don't show up for weeks and this is what you come up with?dnc said:Always about replacing the blacks with you
I can't complain ... I ventured over to @RaceBannon 's shit hole forum and found myself sucked into another dark topic, only to have it twisted and fucked up and thrown back at me.
Notwithstanding the clarity and perspective added to said thread, I was lambasted with insults and not even one thank you.
Fuck you Racebannon. You can have my charity clicks for today.
I see a flooring question coming in this thread. -
That was funny.LoneStarDawg said:
Red knobs?Sources said:
FWIW, our realtor (this is in SF mind you) told us if we were going ever going to sell, to get a Wolf, Wolf, or a Wolf. Apparently those red knobs pay for themselves and more when buyers come through.LoneStarDawg said:Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
@Swaye?! True!!!?!?
Don't take it to the Tug. Leave it here. -
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Fun fact: the Wolf cooktop came with red knobs and stainless steel knobs.Sources said:
FWIW, our realtor (this is in SF mind you) told us if we were going ever going to sell, to get a Wolf, Wolf, or a Wolf. Apparently those red knobs pay for themselves and more when buyers come through.LoneStarDawg said:Another penny pinching protip. I got a Bertazonni dual fuel range. Probably 1/2 price of the wolf/Viking etc brands and I’ve been very happy. Pretty stylish too.
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Porcelain? Does it chip? Is it tuff? Harbor Tuff? What about quartz? I've heard that shit is indestructible.Sources said:
One thing we did in our latest remodel was porcelain countertops. Looks like marble but you don't have to put up with all of the porous bullshit. Significantly cheaper too.YellowSnow said:
I don't think we'll go crazy high end appliance. Probably another Jenn Air down draft and what run of the mill decent fridge. We ain't in the country club so I don't need to go all Viking or shit like that. I think it's important to not overspend on shit of which you won't make it back if you had to sell the home.BennyBeaver said:
Depends on the appliances. Our Sub-Zero fridge over freezer was $10k alone. Add matching beverage/wine fridge, Wolf cooktop, vent, double ovens and Meile dishwasher and you are at $22k for appliances. Delivered but not installed.YellowSnow said:
Ok @RaceBannon so I'm almost done with my interior painting which has made a huge difference. We're talking a nice interior designer down the street to help my wife figure out the grand vision. They will recommend an kitchen remodeling GC or three for me to chat with.RaceBannon said:You could call us and get it all including new cabinets for 20 to 30 k. If we were in Oregon
Get a reputable kitchen remodeling company that acts as the GC. Don't do it yourself.
Get more than one price and check references. Trust no one. Don't pay over 30 percent up front. Balance when it passes your wife's punch list.
Put a timeline in the agreement
You still think 30K will get someone new granite countertops, sink, backsplash, fridge, downdraft range/oven AND decent new cabinets? Again, medium size kitchen we're talking about here. It seems like the non real wood cabinets have gone up a lot in quality of late.
We did Sollera cabinets out of BC via Phinney Ridge Cabinet Co., very nice but not top of the line. https://www.solleracabinets.com/ Cabinets were $25k not including installation or under cab lighting which were extra. This pricing does include their design services which are top notch.
Cabinets usually don't come with drawer and door pulls. There's another $500-1k.
Quartz countertops and backsplash are the tits, I think cheaper than granite. You get a look somewhere between concrete and natural stone. Durable, easy to clean, no maintenance. https://pentalquartz.com/ Countertops + backsplash $8k installed.
Kraus sinks and faucets. Made in China knockoffs of high end European stuff for a fraction of the price. They look great, work great, and have held up nicely. Way better than what the big box stores carry. We originally got a uber expensive Euro faucet for the main sink and it rusted within 30 days. No bueno. I usually don't like made in China stuff, but these would be an exception and your interior designer is not gonna be pimping them.
So $60k-ish not including the new lighting, new floor, speakers, paint, etc. which was part of a bigger whole house redo.
I'm open to quartz.
Another corner you can cut is buying IKEA cabinets but adding third party panels on front so they don't look like IKEA. -
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you? -
Honestly? I've never done it. The we raised the kids in was nice when we bought the house, but as we approached the last several years before selling, it had clearly become dated. Of course, I wasn't going to remodel a kitchen for someone else, and the house had skrong location advantages that would overcome some of the things I was too cheap to do.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
That said, I've known people who've spent anywhere from $30k on the very low end to over $80, which isn't hard when you start throwing around Wolf and Sub-Zero shit. That shit alone will get you to $30k easily. Because you're not just getting the Wolf Range, you're getting the double oven and the matching micro and all that shit. And you're going to redo your floor - @RaceBannon - and when you start talking cabinets the dolla bills start flying like you're in an Atlanta strip club. -
Nine chins.RaceBannon said:You can spend 300k if you want
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RaceBannon said:
You can spend 300k if you want
Or 30
The lightbulb finally went on with Mrs. Throbber v2.0 last week thatwinterinflation is coming.
The re-fi/HELOC/complete Property Brothers gut/makeover is moving at a rapid pace. Last document sent in today.
FYFMFE.
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What's the new rage. Is the whole industrial look out?
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Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
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See id spend for that kind of shit because I like buying good stuff. Shit you buy once that's good and lasts is worth it imo.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
Then you gotta get a good company to install etc and then I'm like fuck it let's just move. -
I more like an $1100 Bosch dishwasher kind of guy. Super quiet and gets the shit clean. I have a down draft range on a island. Might limit my options some.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat. -
That has been the stage where I'm good and stuck. I'm not convince I'm in the last house and don't want to do this for some other guy.Pitchfork51 said:
See id spend for that kind of shit because I like buying good stuff. Shit you buy once that's good and lasts is worth it imo.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
Then you gotta get a good company to install etc and then I'm like fuck it let's just move. -
We got the only house we could in this fucking insane boom town. 17 years old with ugly paint and black granite countertops is where you get value.creepycoug said:
That has been the stage where I'm good and stuck. I'm not convince I'm in the last house and don't want to do this for some other guy.Pitchfork51 said:
See id spend for that kind of shit because I like buying good stuff. Shit you buy once that's good and lasts is worth it imo.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
Then you gotta get a good company to install etc and then I'm like fuck it let's just move. -
I'm sure Bosch is good, but I'd fucking puke everytim I walked into the kitchen if I saw that name/logo.YellowSnow said:
I more like an $1100 Bosch dishwasher kind of guy. Super quiet and gets the shit clean. I have a down draft range on a island. Might limit my options some.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
I've had 2 Miele's. The one that came with this house and the one I just put in. For a lot less than $1100, mind you. Whisper quiet and rock solid. -
I haven't used a dishwasher since I left mom's basement
She was the type that would wash the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
I just wash them. -
We finally bought a Bosch and I love that thing. Super quiet and cleans the shit out of the dishes. Little to no pre-rinse shit either.BennyBeaver said:
I'm sure Bosch is good, but I'd fucking puke everytim I walked into the kitchen if I saw that name/logo.YellowSnow said:
I more like an $1100 Bosch dishwasher kind of guy. Super quiet and gets the shit clean. I have a down draft range on a island. Might limit my options some.BennyBeaver said:
Looks like a @creepycoug lean but you seem to be entertaining a Tug budget.YellowSnow said:
What do you think?BennyBeaver said:$30k gets you a Tug kitchen. $60k gets you a @creepycoug Finance Bored kitchen.
Who are you?
The Wolf/Sub-Zero name is worth the premium in product, prestige, and value.
While a much smaller expense, if you don’t get a Miele dishwasher I’ll come down there and punch you in the throat.
I've had 2 Miele's. The one that came with this house and the one I just put in. For a lot less than $1100, mind you. Whisper quiet and rock solid.
I didn't know you were so passionate about dishwashers Benny. NTTATWWT. It's the sort of thing I'd expect @BearsWiin to have a strong opinion about; not you.
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One of my dishwashers is 10 and the other is turning 9 in a few months.RaceBannon said:I haven't used a dishwasher since I left mom's basement
She was the type that would wash the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
I just wash them. -
ISWYDT1to392831weretaken said:
One of my dishwashers is 10 and the other is turning 9 in a few months.RaceBannon said:I haven't used a dishwasher since I left mom's basement
She was the type that would wash the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
I just wash them. -
Pics?1to392831weretaken said:
One of my dishwashers is 10 and the other is turning 9 in a few months.RaceBannon said:I haven't used a dishwasher since I left mom's basement
She was the type that would wash the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
I just wash them. -
Yep the main issue is that doing it correctly is way more expensive
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We're not that kind of board.BennyBeaver said:
Pics?1to392831weretaken said:
One of my dishwashers is 10 and the other is turning 9 in a few months.RaceBannon said:I haven't used a dishwasher since I left mom's basement
She was the type that would wash the dishes before putting them in the dishwasher
I just wash them.
