Thousands of service members refuse vaccine

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

And Fauci who had 40 years to prepare and still doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about was RETAINED

By Trump?

and Biden

Trump couldn't have fired Fauci once it got rolling. You don't fire Brad Pitt.

And if he had Biden would have brought him back. Fauci is a hero to the media and the democrats going back to Reagan

He had one job

We will agree to disagree on that point. That feels like Trump apologizing to me. Trump went through people in his cabinet like shit through a goose. That guys fires whoever he wants whenever he wants, and wasn't exactly shy about the blow-back.

His base would have fucking LOVED him for firing Fauci.

Of course Biden is going to keep him on. No surprise there. But if you have someone in Fauci's position, and you think he's fucking it up, and you have the power to fire him, then if you're Trump you fire him. And he would have, I have no doubt, if he knew how to really feel about the virus. Trump didn't know. I don't blame him for that; but he was inconsistent about it in the beginning.

Like I said, I pretty much give him a pass because it was unforeseen and I didn't have any better ideas.

I'll do the same for Fauci, but only to a point. His condescension toward ideas outside of the "vaccines cure epidemics, not off-label drugs" mantra perpetuated by himself, the media and blue state governors who threatened to go after the medical licenses of doctors prescribing Hydroxycloroquine (sp) or other off-label drugs was a textbook example of we-always-know-best elitism, IMO. Hydroxy, a 65 year old drug, was harmless to 99% of the people who took it, but Fauci and the media totally misrepresented it's dangers and side-effects, most likely to protect the Big Pharma manufacturers future profits. If you have a better reason, I'm all ears.

Trump was overly optimistic in the early months because he knew a tanking economy was going to fuck his re-election chances. At the same time, as the media poured on the doom and gloom, Trump was one of the few voices encouraging people that we - the US - could beat this thing.

Was that stupid in hindsight? Maybe, but shit, somebody in the huddle has to say "let's fucking go!" And that wasn't gonna be the media, who cherished every covid death as another nail in Trump's coffin.

There's way too much blame to go around to accuse people of Trump "apologizing." It was obvious to me that stuff like "returning to normal by Easter" was overly optimistic, but Trump's not a doctor. In that situation, he's a cheerleader.

I think in other posts in this thread we settled this point, but to be clear, my reference to apologizing was to say that Trump "couldn't fire Fauci," and my response is, sure he could have. He never held back for fear of pissing people off and fired people in his administration relentlessly. Hard to bag on Biden for keeping Fauci and give Trump a pass for not firing him. He could have fired him. I think he didn't because, like the rest of us, he wasn't sure what to do.

I agree with the positive messaging and all that; but this was an issue that we haven't faced in modern time. That's why, like I said, I didn't judge Trump too harshly on how he handled it. But I do think he was inconsistent about it. Whether that mattered or not is hard to say; it probably doesn't change anything.

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

And Fauci who had 40 years to prepare and still doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about was RETAINED

By Trump?

and Biden

Trump couldn't have fired Fauci once it got rolling. You don't fire Brad Pitt.

And if he had Biden would have brought him back. Fauci is a hero to the media and the democrats going back to Reagan

He had one job

We will agree to disagree on that point. That feels like Trump apologizing to me. Trump went through people in his cabinet like shit through a goose. That guys fires whoever he wants whenever he wants, and wasn't exactly shy about the blow-back.

His base would have fucking LOVED him for firing Fauci.

Of course Biden is going to keep him on. No surprise there. But if you have someone in Fauci's position, and you think he's fucking it up, and you have the power to fire him, then if you're Trump you fire him. And he would have, I have no doubt, if he knew how to really feel about the virus. Trump didn't know. I don't blame him for that; but he was inconsistent about it in the beginning.

Like I said, I pretty much give him a pass because it was unforeseen and I didn't have any better ideas.

I'll do the same for Fauci, but only to a point. His condescension toward ideas outside of the "vaccines cure epidemics, not off-label drugs" mantra perpetuated by himself, the media and blue state governors who threatened to go after the medical licenses of doctors prescribing Hydroxycloroquine (sp) or other off-label drugs was a textbook example of we-always-know-best elitism, IMO. Hydroxy, a 65 year old drug, was harmless to 99% of the people who took it, but Fauci and the media totally misrepresented it's dangers and side-effects, most likely to protect the Big Pharma manufacturers future profits. If you have a better reason, I'm all ears.

Trump was overly optimistic in the early months because he knew a tanking economy was going to fuck his re-election chances. At the same time, as the media poured on the doom and gloom, Trump was one of the few voices encouraging people that we - the US - could beat this thing.

Was that stupid in hindsight? Maybe, but shit, somebody in the huddle has to say "let's fucking go!" And that wasn't gonna be the media, who cherished every covid death as another nail in Trump's coffin.

There's way too much blame to go around to accuse people of Trump "apologizing." It was obvious to me that stuff like "returning to normal by Easter" was overly optimistic, but Trump's not a doctor. In that situation, he's a cheerleader.

I think in other posts in this thread we settled this point, but to be clear, my reference to apologizing was to say that Trump "couldn't fire Fauci," and my response is, sure he could have. He never held back for fear of pissing people off and fired people in his administration relentlessly. Hard to bag on Biden for keeping Fauci and give Trump a pass for not firing him. He could have fired him. I think he didn't because, like the rest of us, he wasn't sure what to do.

I agree with the positive messaging and all that; but this was an issue that we haven't faced in modern time. That's why, like I said, I didn't judge Trump too harshly on how he handled it. But I do think he was inconsistent about it. Whether that mattered or not is hard to say; it probably doesn't change anything.

I think Trump realized that Fauci was well-liked by the media and public after his first couple of press conferences. Where I saw Igor the Lab Rat who lived in a dark cellar, most of the country saw a sweet old man who spoke softly and pleasantly to the media. Plus, given his size, Trump didn't want to be further accused of bullying him. Most of the other guys Trump fired wouldn't be recognized in public. Fauci was a media darling.

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

And Fauci who had 40 years to prepare and still doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about was RETAINED

By Trump?

and Biden

Trump couldn't have fired Fauci once it got rolling. You don't fire Brad Pitt.

And if he had Biden would have brought him back. Fauci is a hero to the media and the democrats going back to Reagan

He had one job

We will agree to disagree on that point. That feels like Trump apologizing to me. Trump went through people in his cabinet like shit through a goose. That guys fires whoever he wants whenever he wants, and wasn't exactly shy about the blow-back.

His base would have fucking LOVED him for firing Fauci.

Of course Biden is going to keep him on. No surprise there. But if you have someone in Fauci's position, and you think he's fucking it up, and you have the power to fire him, then if you're Trump you fire him. And he would have, I have no doubt, if he knew how to really feel about the virus. Trump didn't know. I don't blame him for that; but he was inconsistent about it in the beginning.

Like I said, I pretty much give him a pass because it was unforeseen and I didn't have any better ideas.

I'll do the same for Fauci, but only to a point. His condescension toward ideas outside of the "vaccines cure epidemics, not off-label drugs" mantra perpetuated by himself, the media and blue state governors who threatened to go after the medical licenses of doctors prescribing Hydroxycloroquine (sp) or other off-label drugs was a textbook example of we-always-know-best elitism, IMO. Hydroxy, a 65 year old drug, was harmless to 99% of the people who took it, but Fauci and the media totally misrepresented it's dangers and side-effects, most likely to protect the Big Pharma manufacturers future profits. If you have a better reason, I'm all ears.

Trump was overly optimistic in the early months because he knew a tanking economy was going to fuck his re-election chances. At the same time, as the media poured on the doom and gloom, Trump was one of the few voices encouraging people that we - the US - could beat this thing.

Was that stupid in hindsight? Maybe, but shit, somebody in the huddle has to say "let's fucking go!" And that wasn't gonna be the media, who cherished every covid death as another nail in Trump's coffin.

There's way too much blame to go around to accuse people of Trump "apologizing." It was obvious to me that stuff like "returning to normal by Easter" was overly optimistic, but Trump's not a doctor. In that situation, he's a cheerleader.

I think in other posts in this thread we settled this point, but to be clear, my reference to apologizing was to say that Trump "couldn't fire Fauci," and my response is, sure he could have. He never held back for fear of pissing people off and fired people in his administration relentlessly. Hard to bag on Biden for keeping Fauci and give Trump a pass for not firing him. He could have fired him. I think he didn't because, like the rest of us, he wasn't sure what to do.

I agree with the positive messaging and all that; but this was an issue that we haven't faced in modern time. That's why, like I said, I didn't judge Trump too harshly on how he handled it. But I do think he was inconsistent about it. Whether that mattered or not is hard to say; it probably doesn't change anything.

I think Trump realized that Fauci was well-liked by the media and public after his first couple of press conferences. Where I saw Igor the Lab Rat who lived in a dark cellar, most of the country saw a sweet old man who spoke softly and pleasantly to the media. Plus, given his size, Trump didn't want to be further accused of bullying him. Most of the other guys Trump fired wouldn't be recognized in public. Fauci was a media darling.

Again, we are talking about Trump. The guy who wasn't exactly cozy with the media. Why would he GAF?

He got his base to turn on Fauci. Or Fauci did it himself. Either way, tell me how Trump suffers in any way he GAF

Fauci was a punching bag to the base. We're smart and stuff. Firing him was the wrong move

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

creepycoug said:

RaceBannon said:

And Fauci who had 40 years to prepare and still doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about was RETAINED

By Trump?

and Biden

Trump couldn't have fired Fauci once it got rolling. You don't fire Brad Pitt.

And if he had Biden would have brought him back. Fauci is a hero to the media and the democrats going back to Reagan

He had one job

We will agree to disagree on that point. That feels like Trump apologizing to me. Trump went through people in his cabinet like shit through a goose. That guys fires whoever he wants whenever he wants, and wasn't exactly shy about the blow-back.

His base would have fucking LOVED him for firing Fauci.

Of course Biden is going to keep him on. No surprise there. But if you have someone in Fauci's position, and you think he's fucking it up, and you have the power to fire him, then if you're Trump you fire him. And he would have, I have no doubt, if he knew how to really feel about the virus. Trump didn't know. I don't blame him for that; but he was inconsistent about it in the beginning.

Like I said, I pretty much give him a pass because it was unforeseen and I didn't have any better ideas.

I'll do the same for Fauci, but only to a point. His condescension toward ideas outside of the "vaccines cure epidemics, not off-label drugs" mantra perpetuated by himself, the media and blue state governors who threatened to go after the medical licenses of doctors prescribing Hydroxycloroquine (sp) or other off-label drugs was a textbook example of we-always-know-best elitism, IMO. Hydroxy, a 65 year old drug, was harmless to 99% of the people who took it, but Fauci and the media totally misrepresented it's dangers and side-effects, most likely to protect the Big Pharma manufacturers future profits. If you have a better reason, I'm all ears.

Trump was overly optimistic in the early months because he knew a tanking economy was going to fuck his re-election chances. At the same time, as the media poured on the doom and gloom, Trump was one of the few voices encouraging people that we - the US - could beat this thing.

Was that stupid in hindsight? Maybe, but shit, somebody in the huddle has to say "let's fucking go!" And that wasn't gonna be the media, who cherished every covid death as another nail in Trump's coffin.

There's way too much blame to go around to accuse people of Trump "apologizing." It was obvious to me that stuff like "returning to normal by Easter" was overly optimistic, but Trump's not a doctor. In that situation, he's a cheerleader.

I think in other posts in this thread we settled this point, but to be clear, my reference to apologizing was to say that Trump "couldn't fire Fauci," and my response is, sure he could have. He never held back for fear of pissing people off and fired people in his administration relentlessly. Hard to bag on Biden for keeping Fauci and give Trump a pass for not firing him. He could have fired him. I think he didn't because, like the rest of us, he wasn't sure what to do.

I agree with the positive messaging and all that; but this was an issue that we haven't faced in modern time. That's why, like I said, I didn't judge Trump too harshly on how he handled it. But I do think he was inconsistent about it. Whether that mattered or not is hard to say; it probably doesn't change anything.

I think Trump realized that Fauci was well-liked by the media and public after his first couple of press conferences. Where I saw Igor the Lab Rat who lived in a dark cellar, most of the country saw a sweet old man who spoke softly and pleasantly to the media. Plus, given his size, Trump didn't want to be further accused of bullying him. Most of the other guys Trump fired wouldn't be recognized in public. Fauci was a media darling.

Again, we are talking about Trump. The guy who wasn't exactly cozy with the media. Why would he GAF?

He got his base to turn on Fauci. Or Fauci did it himself. Either way, tell me how Trump suffers in any way he GAF

Fauci was a punching bag to the base. We're smart and stuff. Firing him was the wrong move

Wrong for who? Trump? What would it have cost him?

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

Fauci has a lot invested in big pharm. I don't think he's a corrupt person by nature, but that skews your thinking no matter what.

WestlinnDuck said:

TurdBomber said:

Fire_Marshall_Bill said:

Fauci has a lot invested in big pharm. I don't think he's a corrupt person by nature, but that skews your thinking no matter what.

On top of being a federal bureaucrat for 50 years in a zero accountability administrative position. What's wrong with that picture?

That's the point. Why is the track record of the Tug conservatives better than Fow Chee's? Sending money to the chicoms for gain of function research at a bio lab with a history of containment issues is not SCIENCE. It was a recipe for disaster.